Hi there one and all!
Is it me ... or what .. or have I lost the plot here? I thought this was a group where we could enjoy Disklaviers for what they are! "A great piano which gives me great enjoyment" I am afraid that I have only a upright and one of the early ones .. true I have added on a later reader and cd player! My point is let's chat about the recordings ... as you know there are bad ones out there and good ones!
All this "goings on about pianos and the wood" is driving me up the wall ..... how I see it is ... What you get is what you pay ..for in this world! So if you buy your piano from a shop you will get a service that should fit the bill! Remember Yamaha still want to sell you software etc. Secondly if your paying out for a Disklavier you would certaily look after it, so a bit of common sence would come in handy! I have had my instrument for nearly 17 years (I think) and it is played every day and is still playing well just a bit of care and regular tuning and its fine! I know I might be speaking out of line here with all you collectors with your Grand mk 5 pianos .. oh yes I would love one but I would not have the room! Another thing is buying off ebay etc what the point there might be a bargin, but why are they selling it and how do you know that the piano has not been damaged etc..... even seen a piano painted Purple on ebay ... yes I know Elton piano was red! so there some odd things out there. mind you I do find over here (UK) Yamaha are lousy! there hardly any piano in the shops and most people don't know what they are! I have sold 5 Disklavier pianos to friends .. and I am not in the business! as they were impressed with the concept of the instrument! Well I had my say for what's it worth and hope someone agrees with me! its late and have typed this in hast
Happy playing
Stephen
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
From: setiawansr@...
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:13:53 +0000
Subject: [disklavier] Re: gray market disklaviers (was owners manual)
The point is that I believe Yamaha uses one kind of wood for every
destination. They cannot assume that the pianos (especially grand
and disklavier) will be used by poor people in Asia who do not have
airconditioner at their home. If they use this assumption, they will
use less expensive drying process. As a result those pianos made
with this assumption will crack once they face a dry
airconditionered house. You have to know that people who purchase
grand or disklavier are rich people who have their house
airconditionered for 24/7. I just do not believe the notion that
Yamaha made various pianos for different destination because of the
aforementioned logic and also I had a month of practical training in
Yamaha factory. I asked the workers about this.
RS
--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Jimmy Lewis ; wrote:
>
> I don't know why this debate has been going so strong about
different
> piano.
>
> Let me just say dear Sir, that I live in Canada, where the winter
are
> cold and dry. My house will vary from 30% to 80 % humidity
> during a year period. I also have central air, in summer the
average
> humidity factor is between 40-50%.
>
> So you can imagine that this kind of variation will really affect
a
> piano. Has to know if there is a marketing effect from Yamaha
> regarding this,
> I have to say that I have received a certificate indicating that
my
> piano was manufacturer from North America climate. As I have
> travelled accros the continent many times, one thing I am aware
is,
> if you buy any type of wood furniture from a very humid place and
> bring it back here, it will crack during its first winter, so if
> Yamaha is using different type of wood, or at least use wood that
is
> dry slow enough to respond to our climate.
>
> That is why I believe Yamaha has made piano for respective
country
> climate. There might be a lot of similarities between some
countries
>; but here I would not like to own a piano that was made in India.
As
> for the rest for the electronic parts, this is another story.
>
> Hope this input will help and stop the big debate about cheaper
> piano, you get what you pay for.
>
> Jimmy
> Le 07-08-28 à 17:45, rondisklavier a écrit :
>
> > George,
> >
> > You are correct about home in the US, Canada etc.
> > However, you assumption is that people in Asia do not use
> > airconditioning.Human beings are the same, nobody likes humid
> > environment. Therefore, the people who bought piano (especilly
> > Disklavier), they are NOT poor people. They also have central air
> > conditioner and they do turn on their air conditioner 24/7. As a
> > result, the environment where those pianos experience is exactly
the
> > same as in US...As dry as in US. Are those pianos cracking? No,
they
> > are not. I had my C5 in Indonesia for years and it did not crack
(my
> > house is 100% air conditionered for 24 hours. How about the
pianos
> > in Yamaha Music Foundation that are in 100% airconditioner
> > environment for years, do Yamaha Music Foundation in Indonesia
needs
> > to import special pianos for their music schools?
> >
> >; Sorry not to be argumentative, but we do need to know the
condition
> > is Asia, before we assume that those people do not live in an
> > airconditioner environment. Once again, what you said is correct,
> > out side wheather has nothing to do. The inside climate is the
more
> > important one.
> >
> > RS
> >
> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "George F. Litterst"
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Good afternoon, everyone.
> > >
> > > Regarding the comment below from rondisklavier:
> > >
> > > It is true that in a large country like the US, the average
> > humidity
> > > various from location to location. The key point, however, is
> > this:
> > > No matter where you go in the US and Canada, in all likelihood,
> > the
> > > indoor environment has central heating and/or air conditioning
> > that
> > > is active for a significant portion of the year. Both central
> > heating
> > > and air conditioning dry out the interior air. In order to
stand
> > up
> > > to this kind of stress, the wood needs to be dried to a low
> > moisture
> > > content.
> > >
> > > The outdoor humidity is irrelevant.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > PianoBench
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 28, 2007, at 3:25 PM, rondisklavier wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel"
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > For instance, it is cheaper to manufacture a piano for the
> > Asian
> > > > market
> > > > > because the wood does not need to to kiln dried to 5%
moisture
> > > > content to
> > > >
> > > > Carol,
> > >; >
> > > > Asia is much bigger than America. There is not only one
climate
> > in
> > > > Asia. How about people in Hawaii? Does Yamaha make a special
> > piano for
> > > > people in Hawaii or people in Texas? Your argument just does
not
> > make
> > > > sense and without base. And about the connectors, Yamaha
hires
> > cheap
> > > > labor in many places, do you think that they expect these low
> > paid
> > > > laborers to do soldering? I did work for a month in Yamaha
> > factory,
> > > > everything is well planned, everything just needs to be
> > connected...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Jimmy L.
>