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Does the pro come with the built-in speakers nowadays?  I think once-upon-a-time that they didn't, but that might have changed recently.



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From: j109876 <j109876@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:21:35 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Which one,


Thanks for the input everyone ! 
Looks like the pro is the way to go .... that is if there isn't too 
much of a gap in the price. The quietness aspect would be quite 
important in that decision, hypothetically what should I expect to 
pay for the pro?  The prices I am hearing seem to vary quite a bit.

James

--- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, "genohanson" <obsession18f45@ ...> 
wrote:
>
> James,
> 
> Hopefully someone else can also chime in on this because they may 
> have a different experience.  I have a M4 Pro and never owned just 
> the M4 so my only real experience with the plain M4 is at my local 
> piano store.  First of all, the difference between the units is 128 
> increments of velocity for a regular M4 and 1024 for the Pro. 
> 
> What I would say is under normal listening conditions there's 
> practically no difference.  The ability for our ears to discern the 
> difference between 128 and 1024 steps is probably minimal.  It's 
> there and you might be able to hear it if you're comparing side by 
> side, but it might not make any practical difference.  I think the 
> analogy is with high fidelity music where most people might be able 
> to discern the difference, but it might not matter at all to their 
> listening enjoyment. 
> 
> One of the big issues here is that there isn't a lot of content 
> available for the pro models.  Outside of the E-Competition files, 
I 
> don't think there's any source of material unless you have a pro 
> model and record your own.  Oh, great!  It records the nuisances of 
> my keystroke mistakes with 1024 step accuracy! ;-)
> 
> But having said that, here's where I've found it to be really 
> valuable: when playing a song softly which I do with regularity. 
> Because of the loudness of the piano, I usually play at 30-39 - no 
> where near 100 which I find so incredibly loud as to not be 
enjoyable 
> if I'm right next to it.  Although perfectly fine if I'm in my 
> neighbor's house! ;-) So the extra degradations make a lot of 
> difference when the 128 steps get mapped into the 1024. 
> 
> Here's what I think is happening and someone please correct this if 
I 
> don't have something right or if this is just plain wrong.  Let's 
> take a song that has the entire dynamic range of the 128 increments 
> of velocity.  (Many if not most pieces will not utilize the entire 
> range.) Playing the song at 100% volume gives you that 128 
> increments.  Playing it at 50% means every note is only hit at half 
> the velocity which means the piano now only has 64 increments for 
the 
> performance.  Play it at 33% and you're down to about 43.  (Again, 
> that's the best case scenario because the piano player probably 
> wasn't hitting the keys at their absolute hardest on the loudest 
> sections so you might be down to very few incremental steps.) That 
is 
> going to be noticeable and I believe they don't recommend playing a 
> song really below 39.  With mine I get acceptable performance down 
to 
> 25%, and I certainly think a good reason is the Pro version still 
has 
> 256 increments to work with when you're at 25%.
> 
> By the way, if you're going to be playing the music at a lower 
> volume, it is more imperative that the calibration is good. 
> 
> Gene 
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, "j109876" <j109876@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > I'm new to the group and looking for some advice as to the 
> difference 
> > between the DC3 M4 and DC3 M4 Pro , in reality is there much 
> difference 
> > in the performance level?
> > Thanks
> > 
> > James
> >
>