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Re: [disklavier] Mark4 Software

2009-09-05 by Tom Wheeler

Hi Bill,

As I have stated in the past, you are the best single resource that  
Yamaha disklavier owners have.  My frustrations in the previous e-mail  
are not directed at you and I apologize if that appeared to be the  
case.  I am delighted to hear that you are watching and appreciate the  
value that you bring in that capacity.

I look forward with interest to whatever may be getting ready to  
happen with the Mark IV.

Tom

On Sep 5, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Bill Brandom wrote:

> Tom,
>
> I also have forwarded your email to our engineers. I apologize for  
> the fact I have not been responding to the forums much during the  
> last year. I am going to work much harder to resonding. I have been  
> watching, just not responding.
>
> Our engineers told me that within a year they would have a solution  
> for a larger hard drive. I am now reminding them of that.
>
> I just returned from a several days in Japan  working with the  
> engineers. To say the least, a lot is getting ready to happen with  
> the Mark IV. I will keep you and the group informed, when I am able  
> to release the information.
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Brandom
> Senior Technical Manager
> Keyboard Division
> Yamaha Corporation of America
> bbrandom@...
> 714-522-9417
> ________________________________________
> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On  
> Behalf Of Tom Wheeler [tnwheeler@...]
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:35 AM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Mark4 Software
>
> Philip,
>
> Yours is one of the best posts that I have seen in a very long time on
> this Forum.  I agree with every single one of your requests and can
> add a few comments and suggestions as well, although frankly over the
> five years since purchasing my Mark IV I have only rarely felt that
> Yamaha was listening, and although I have written to Bill Brandom with
> some of these suggestions, I have received no response and only very
> rarely see his presence on this Forum in the last year or so.
>
> I have pleaded for a larger HD for the Mark IV for a long time to no
> avail.  The 80 GB HD that is on the piano is totally inadequate
> especially when you realize that the Mark IV stores CD audio in
> the .wav format which takes up tons of space.  Please, please provide
> the option of a larger HD for this piano.  I stopped all purchases of
> Yamaha software more than 3 years ago because my HD is nearly full and
> I don't want to take the chance of crashing it by adding any more
> software to it.
>
> The backup option provided by the Mark IV is simply inadequate.  There
> is no way to do an incremental backup.  Each time you backup, you have
> to backup everything.  Even with only  an 80 GB  HD that takes more
> than 12 hours with the software that I have on my Mark IV. Please,
> please, Yamaha provide a means of doing incremental backups that will
> not work the HD (both internal and external) to death.
>
> A second contributor to the inadequate backup capabilities of the Mark
> IV is the fact that it supports only USB 1.0.  Even when the piano was
> introduced in 2004 the USB 2.0 standard had completely replaced USB
> 1.0 and my Mark IV is the only device in my home that still uses the
> far slower US 1.0. While Yamaha has been quick to raise the prices on
> the MarK IV, it has been just as slow to implement current (much less
> advanced technologies) as Philip has so well pointed out in his post.
> It will be interesting to see how outdated the technology on the Mark
> V will be when and if it ever appears.
>
> The processor in the Mark IV is a 333 MHz -- incredibly slow even for
> 2004 when it was introduced.  Why was this done?  I was told that it
> was to keep down heat produced and obviate the need for a fan.  My Mac
> Pro 8-core computer with four 2.8 GHz processors has a fan so quiet
> that I can barely hear it even in a quiet room.  Surely Yamaha can
> mount a processor in the Mark V that will be reflective of the 21st
> century instead of the 20th century and find a quiet fan if heat
> production is a problem. Until they do, we can forget parallel
> processes and running things in the background  because the Mark IV's
> 333 MHz processor is apparently simply not able to support it.
>
> I suspect that Yamaha is hard at work on a Mark V and that it will
> incorporate a few of the suggestions Phil and I have made.  However,
> if past disklaviers are any indication, the Mark V will be totally
> outdated even before it arrives, but the price will be far far greater
> than the Mark IV.
>
> Tom
>
> On Sep 5, 2009, at 5:15 AM, Phil Blah wrote:
>
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> No much happening with the Disklavier forums lately, perhaps
>> everyone is content with their piano!
>>
>> Does anyone know if Yamaha are going to release new software for
>> their pianos? (psst Bill Brandon you still here?)
>>
>> I must say that the DKVBrowser software that Kevin has made is so
>> great! It makes moving files around so easy.. the clunky old PDA is
>> pretty crappy for this!
>>
>> On a side note, has anyone tried running the java app on an iphone?
>> it would be much better than the clunky old PDA's... the battery
>> does not last long (even a new one only lasts 2 hours max). Also the
>> wireless is pretty weak signal. Perhaps the DKVBrowser can be made
>> for iphones? lol.
>>
>> Dear Yamaha, here is my wish-list/advice for version 4 of the
>> software :)
>>
>> 1) Disk image needs to support 'fresh' install. This has various
>> advantages..as the old 80gb drives clag out people can just put in a
>> new HD easily or they want a bigger HD so they can install from
>> scratch. A fresh install will be clean and have performance
>> advantages too. Plus it will solve 99% of peoples problems if their
>> software gets screwy.
>>
>> 2) Finish off the half done Graphics support.. ie allow songs to
>> have .jpgs attached to them as a slide show or just as a cover to
>> the song (this is the TV out part, not all Disklaviers have the
>> tablet thing like in Australia for example!).
>>
>> 3) Allow access to the XG voices in performance mode.
>>
>> 4) Make a new 'live sounding' special drum and base kit..  the
>> current base and drums are alright but they all sound too synthetic.
>> Surely Yamaha can try harder with these most critical synths...
>> There are free drum/base sound fonts on the net that  people have
>> just recorded a real drum and base that sound better! Lets face it
>> guys, no one listens to crappy midi with their beautiful piano...
>> the only exception is Jazz that has a base/drums only. Most Sue
>> Downs songs are excellent like this.... anyway having a 'live' drum
>> sound font would be perfect!
>>
>> 5) Better strings and wood instruments overall... some songs are
>> just embarrassing with these cheezy synths, sounds like a big mobile
>> phone with most midi's.
>>
>> 6) More control with the network setup ie wep keys/ip everything
>> overall etc. Also as they use Samba it would take 2 seconds to put a
>> basic password for windows networking (not everyone has their piano
>> in their home!).
>>
>> 7) MP3 Support. Wave files are so inefficient. MP3's have been
>> around since 1995 or eairler and as it runs linux I am sure it can
>> handle it (yes ofcorse pun was intended). For quality freaks, the
>> MP3 can be 256bit rate so its losless. Then each song will be about
>> 8  - 12 meg rather than 40+
>>
>> 8) Faster seek for playing/stopping songs!
>>
>> 9) Faster and better methods of recording... I am not sure if it's
>> just me, but when you 'know' that it's recording you usually make a
>> mistake while playing a song and then want to quicky start the
>> recording again. But the current way is all bumbly and clumsy and
>> slow... worst case is I have to just keep it recording and I copy
>> the midi to my computer and use cakewalk to edit... but that's a big
>> pain.
>>
>> 10) Backup! - Like most people, we just trust everything will just
>> keep working and we get complacent... but imagine if your HD failed
>> tomorrow, all the songs you bought all the CD's that took you hours
>> to save on the HD... all the midis and files arranged... all gorn!
>> So a backup option would simply copy everything to a network share
>> as a big archive file (to preserve the secret database etc etc). And
>> you can simply restore it all back if needed.
>>
>> 11) Better playlist managment and random play
>>
>> 12) Guys this is not a mark3 nor is it 1990. It's a linux box that
>> is already multitasking, surley we can play a song while searching
>> or copying things! So yes, a song needs to contiune to play while we
>> do other things.
>>
>> 13) Back to recording, It's a bit hard to figure out how to simply
>> record while a .wav/CD (god bless) is playing... So we need to
>> simply be able to play a CD/.wav and you can record your piano
>> playing. Also recording other voices and in performance mode is not
>> easy to do. My 1992 Yamaha Clavinova makes it easy.
>>
>> 14) Just on my 1992 Yamaha Clavinova, it has several built in drum
>> beats and groovy synth riffs even with a 'varation' button! but
>> there are no built in drum kits with the mark4.... bit sad
>> really..... nothing more fun then just having a good beat and
>> playing the piano with it!
>>
>> 15) Better use of the internet, while it might sound all cool 'wow
>> the pianos on the internet' but it's really a closed system,
>> Yamaha's mini web thing only.... the whole internet piano thing is
>> NOT available to normal people only 'special' Yamaha people... can
>> we get over this and allow our pianos to connect to friends.
>>
>> 15b) As a Yamaha Radio subscriber and regular song buyer... I think
>> Yamaha needs to allow people to 'trial' a song... the little 20
>> second preview is not really enough somtimes.. even if it costs 20c
>> or something to play only but not save would be good, I think $4.50
>> USD for a song is so over priced... some songs are just awful and
>> lifeless.. Also the fact that they even tell people that 'the midi
>> file might be unacceptable'... those songs should be heaps cheaper.
>>
>> 15c) Just with the whole internet thing, just like you can stream
>> internet radio like 'smoothjazz.com' surley they can stream songs
>> with audio and midi data. They could quite easily setup a large
>> buffer to handle 192k streams... and lets face it we all have
>> broadband these days, not like people are on modem or somethin!. So
>> Even if it costs a bit more or they charge per hour or something...
>> there is a time when I just crave a voice with piano and get so sick
>> of my usual collection!
>>
>> 15d) Yamaha need to allow for Piano Soft with Audio downloadable...
>> I don't always want to buy an entire CD just for 1 song, plus the
>> whole slow clumsy CD thing is not very modern for a company trying
>> to make out how modern they were (the piano on the internet thing).
>> I am quite happy to pay $6 per song if it had audio!
>>
>> Well that's all I can think of for now.
>>
>> Let's hope these features will be in Version 4 :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Philip
>>
>>
>>
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