Disklavier

> On Mar 4, 2014, at 2:55 PM, "uecker.juneau@..." <uecker.juneau@...> wrote:
> 
> Scott,
>  
> I am about to perform this install on my own MX100A. Thanks for the great summary. I'll be watching with interest on the VB question. VB has been my normal mode for playing files.
>  
> Rick
> 
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Sacsound100 <sacsound100@...>
> To: "disklavier@yahoogroups.com" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [disklavier] Successful floppy disc emulator, and Van Basco question
> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 11:19:37 -0800 (PST)
> 
>  
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> I've been meaning to report on another successful install of the floppy emulator previously discussed on the board. It was rather easy, especially after I went back and read some of the earlier posts that Scott made describing his experience. My Disclavier is the ancient MX-100A, pretty basic but still pretty powerful if you don't need streaming, audio accompaniment or silent mode.
>  
> It works great, so much easier and faster than the floppy, and I can use it without booting a computer for MIDI playback. Most of the difficulty I had with the install was because I didn't read Scott's comments again or closely read the emulator manual before the install. I guess I was too excited!
>  
> The 3 main points I ran into, for anyone interested in doing this, was the mounting, the floppy ribbon cable and the emulator software. Scott pretty much covered them well already but I'll distill the issues:
>  
> 1)  The emulator is a different thickness, so it needs some standoffs for mounting in the electronics case. Otherwise the face of the emulator is not centered in the hole in the frontplate of the controller. The metal mounting bracket of the existing floppy drive did not translate to mounting the emulator. So longer mounting screws and standoffs were what I needed. The emulator face will not fill the faceplate hole completely, but I didn't find the aesthetics very offensive. Others may want to rig up a black shroud around the opening to hide the narrow gap.
>  
> 2)  The ribbon connector is on the other side of the emulator, as compared to the floppy drive, so the original ribbon cable didn't reach. You may want to find a longer cable and get it before you install - it will save some immediate gratification frustration. They are easily found on the web.
>  
> 3) The emulator didn't work immediately after I installed it. The Disclavier didn't see any of the .fil files I put on the flash memory. After going back and reading the manual more closely I realized I missed the part about the emulator settings file. There needs to be a separate file on the media that tells the emulator how to work (this is probably a simplified description, but it's how I understand it). The associated software will create that for you. After a few attempts I got it all to work fine. I think it finally worked with the default settings in the software.
>  
> The emulator allows playback of external MIDI files in the same way the floppy drive did. You just have to load an emulator .fil file first, and then the Disclavier will let you press the MIDI button to see an external MIDI input.
>  
> Big thanks to the folks who found and pioneered this great fix and update!
>  
> As for Van Basco, when I have played MIDI files in VB to the Disclavier, keys and pedals will hang in the depressed position when I stop or pause the playback in the middle of a file. I assume that that VB is not issuing a "release" command when I do this. I can't imagine that leaving keys and pedals hanging is good for the playback mechanisms. They will "relax" after maybe 5-10 seconds.
>  
> I've looked for a setting in VB related to this but haven't found one. I thought that "Reset on pause" in the Settings window might fix it, but it had no effect on this issue so I'm not sure what it does.
>  
> Anyone run into this problem? Any thoughts about a fix? Or maybe it's a setting in the Disclavier I don't know about. Or maybe I don't need to worry about it, that the Disclavier won't be harmed by hanging notes.
>  
> I've been reading with interest the "channel 3" variable pedal MIDI discussion. I've also run into that pedal noise issue. When I get some time I'll go back and study the posts.
>  
> Thanks again to everyone for the great tools and information found on this board.
>  
> Scott
>  
> 
>  
> 
>

> On Mar 4, 2014, at 2:55 PM, "uecker.juneau@..." <uecker.juneau@...m> wrote:
> 
>  
> Scott,
>  
> I am about to perform this install on my own MX100A. Thanks for the great summary. I'll be watching with interest on the VB question. VB has been my normal mode for playing files.
>  
> Rick
> 
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Sacsound100 <sacsound100@...>
> To: "disklavier@yahoogroups.com" <disklavier@...m>
> Subject: [disklavier] Successful floppy disc emulator, and Van Basco question
> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 11:19:37 -0800 (PST)
> 
>  
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> I've been meaning to report on another successful install of the floppy emulator previously discussed on the board. It was rather easy, especially after I went back and read some of the earlier posts that Scott made describing his experience. My Disclavier is the ancient MX-100A, pretty basic but still pretty powerful if you don't need streaming, audio accompaniment or silent mode.
>  
> It works great, so much easier and faster than the floppy, and I can use it without booting a computer for MIDI playback. Most of the difficulty I had with the install was because I didn't read Scott's comments again or closely read the emulator manual before the install. I guess I was too excited!
>  
> The 3 main points I ran into, for anyone interested in doing this, was the mounting, the floppy ribbon cable and the emulator software. Scott pretty much covered them well already but I'll distill the issues:
>  
> 1)  The emulator is a different thickness, so it needs some standoffs for mounting in the electronics case. Otherwise the face of the emulator is not centered in the hole in the frontplate of the controller. The metal mounting bracket of the existing floppy drive did not translate to mounting the emulator. So longer mounting screws and standoffs were what I needed. The emulator face will not fill the faceplate hole completely, but I didn't find the aesthetics very offensive. Others may want to rig up a black shroud around the opening to hide the narrow gap.
>  
> 2)  The ribbon connector is on the other side of the emulator, as compared to the floppy drive, so the original ribbon cable didn't reach. You may want to find a longer cable and get it before you install - it will save some immediate gratification frustration. They are easily found on the web.
>  
> 3) The emulator didn't work immediately after I installed it. The Disclavier didn't see any of the .fil files I put on the flash memory. After going back and reading the manual more closely I realized I missed the part about the emulator settings file. There needs to be a separate file on the media that tells the emulator how to work (this is probably a simplified description, but it's how I understand it). The associated software will create that for you. After a few attempts I got it all to work fine. I think it finally worked with the default settings in the software.
>  
> The emulator allows playback of external MIDI files in the same way the floppy drive did. You just have to load an emulator .fil file first, and then the Disclavier will let you press the MIDI button to see an external MIDI input.
>  
> Big thanks to the folks who found and pioneered this great fix and update!
>  
> As for Van Basco, when I have played MIDI files in VB to the Disclavier, keys and pedals will hang in the depressed position when I stop or pause the playback in the middle of a file. I assume that that VB is not issuing a "release" command when I do this. I can't imagine that leaving keys and pedals hanging is good for the playback mechanisms. They will "relax" after maybe 5-10 seconds.
>  
> I've looked for a setting in VB related to this but haven't found one. I thought that "Reset on pause" in the Settings window might fix it, but it had no effect on this issue so I'm not sure what it does.
>  
> Anyone run into this problem? Any thoughts about a fix? Or maybe it's a setting in the Disclavier I don't know about. Or maybe I don't need to worry about it, that the Disclavier won't be harmed by hanging notes.
>  
> I've been reading with interest the "channel 3" variable pedal MIDI discussion. I've also run into that pedal noise issue. When I get some time I'll go back and study the posts.
>  
> Thanks again to everyone for the great tools and information found on this board.
>  
> Scott

> On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:21 PM, "uecker.juneau@..." <uecker.juneau@...> wrote:
> 
> So I guess the question for those of us with older pianos is, how much of a concern is this? What damage can be done and how quickly can it occur? If it is a real concern, is there any type of fix or workaround? Do I understand this correctly? Will a stop or pause from the piano controls as well as from a midi controlling device each offer the potential for prolonged solenoid energization?
>  
> Rick
> 
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Bill Brandom <bill.brandom03@...>
> To: "disklavier@yahoogroups.com" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: "disklavier@yahoogroups.com" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Successful floppy disc emulator, and Van Basco questi on
> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 11:50:58 -0800
> 
>  
> 
> Disklaviers prior to Mark II did not send an All Notes Off message when the Stop button was pressed.
> 
> Bill
> 
> On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Sam Kanter <skanter123@...> wrote:
> 
>  
>  
> 
> Scott, FYI I do not get hanging notes when stopping VB in middle of song on my MPX 100II. 
> 
> Sam
> www.keyboardcollective.com
> (212) 684-3304(212) 684-3304
>  
> *(Sent from phone - please excuse brevity and typos.)
> 
> On Mar 4, 2014, at 2:55 PM, "uecker.juneau@..." <uecker.juneau@...> wrote:
> 
>  
>  
> 
> Scott,
>  
> I am about to perform this install on my own MX100A. Thanks for the great summary. I'll be watching with interest on the VB question. VB has been my normal mode for playing files.
>  
> Rick
> 
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Sacsound100 <sacsound100@...>
> To: "disklavier@yahoogroups.com" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [disklavier] Successful floppy disc emulator, and Van Basco question
> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 11:19:37 -0800 (PST)
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> I've been meaning to report on another successful install of the floppy emulator previously discussed on the board. It was rather easy, especially after I went back and read some of the earlier posts that Scott made describing his experience. My Disclavier is the ancient MX-100A, pretty basic but still pretty powerful if you don't need streaming, audio accompaniment or silent mode.
>  
> It works great, so much easier and faster than the floppy, and I can use it without booting a computer for MIDI playback. Most of the difficulty I had with the install was because I didn't read Scott's comments again or closely read the emulator manual before the install. I guess I was too excited!
>  
> The 3 main points I ran into, for anyone interested in doing this, was the mounting, the floppy ribbon cable and the emulator software. Scott pretty much covered them well already but I'll distill the issues:
>  
> 1)  The emulator is a different thickness, so it needs some standoffs for mounting in the electronics case. Otherwise the face of the emulator is not centered in the hole in the frontplate of the controller. The metal mounting bracket of the existing floppy drive did not translate to mounting the emulator. So longer mounting screws and standoffs were what I needed. The emulator face will not fill the faceplate hole completely, but I didn't find the aesthetics very offensive. Others may want to rig up a black shroud around the opening to hide the narrow gap.
>  
> 2)  The ribbon connector is on the other side of the emulator, as compared to the floppy drive, so the original ribbon cable didn't reach. You may want to find a longer cable and get it before you install - it will save some immediate gratification frustration. They are easily found on the web.
>  
> 3) The emulator didn't work immediately after I installed it. The Disclavier didn't see any of the .fil files I put on the flash memory. After going back and reading the manual more closely I realized I missed the part about the emulator settings file. There needs to be a separate file on the media that tells the emulator how to work (this is probably a simplified description, but it's how I understand it). The associated software will create that for you. After a few attempts I got it all to work fine. I think it finally worked with the default settings in the software.
>  
> The emulator allows playback of external MIDI files in the same way the floppy drive did. You just have to load an emulator .fil file first, and then the Disclavier will let you press the MIDI button to see an external MIDI input.
>  
> Big thanks to the folks who found and pioneered this great fix and update!
>  
> As for Van Basco, when I have played MIDI files in VB to the Disclavier, keys and pedals will hang in the depressed position when I stop or pause the playback in the middle of a file. I assume that that VB is not issuing a "release" command when I do this. I can't imagine that leaving keys and pedals hanging is good for the playback mechanisms. They will "relax" after maybe 5-10 seconds.
>  
> I've looked for a setting in VB related to this but haven't found one. I thought that "Reset on pause" in the Settings window might fix it, but it had no effect on this issue so I'm not sure what it does.
>  
> Anyone run into this problem? Any thoughts about a fix? Or maybe it's a setting in the Disclavier I don't know about. Or maybe I don't need to worry about it, that the Disclavier won't be harmed by hanging notes.
>  
> I've been reading with interest the "channel 3" variable pedal MIDI discussion. I've also run into that pedal noise issue. When I get some time I'll go back and study the posts.
>  
> Thanks again to everyone for the great tools and information found on this board.
>  
> Scott
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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---------- Original Message ----------
From: Bill Brandom <bill.brandom03@...>
To: "disklavier@yahoogroups.com" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "disklavier@yahoogroups.com" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Successful floppy disc emulator, and Van Basco questi on
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 11:50:58 -0800

 

Disklaviers prior to Mark II did not send an All Notes Off message when the Stop button was pressed.

Bill

On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Sam Kanter <skanter123@...> wrote:

 
 

Scott, FYI I do not get hanging notes when stopping VB in middle of song on my MPX 100II. 

Sam
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304(212) 684-3304
 
*(Sent from phone - please excuse brevity and typos.)

On Mar 4, 2014, at 2:55 PM, "uecker.juneau@..." <uecker.juneau@...> wrote:

 
 

Scott,
 
I am about to perform this install on my own MX100A. Thanks for the great summary. I'll be watching with interest on the VB question. VB has been my normal mode for playing files.
 
Rick


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Sacsound100 <sacsound100@...>
To: "disklavier@yahoogroups.com" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [disklavier] Successful floppy disc emulator, and Van Basco question
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 11:19:37 -0800 (PST)

 

 

Hi all,
 
I've been meaning to report on another successful install of the floppy emulator previously discussed on the board. It was rather easy, especially after I went back and read some of the earlier posts that Scott made describing his experience. My Disclavier is the ancient MX-100A, pretty basic but still pretty powerful if you don't need streaming, audio accompaniment or silent mode.
 
It works great, so much easier and faster than the floppy, and I can use it without booting a computer for MIDI playback. Most of the difficulty I had with the install was because I didn't read Scott's comments again or closely read the emulator manual before the install. I guess I was too excited!
 
The 3 main points I ran into, for anyone interested in doing this, was the mounting, the floppy ribbon cable and the emulator software. Scott pretty much covered them well already but I'll distill the issues:
 
1)  The emulator is a different thickness, so it needs some standoffs for mounting in the electronics case. Otherwise the face of the emulator is not centered in the hole in the frontplate of the controller. The metal mounting bracket of the existing floppy drive did not translate to mounting the emulator. So longer mounting screws and standoffs were what I needed. The emulator face will not fill the faceplate hole completely, but I didn't find the aesthetics very offensive. Others may want to rig up a black shroud around the opening to hide the narrow gap.
 
2)  The ribbon connector is on the other side of the emulator, as compared to the floppy drive, so the original ribbon cable didn't reach. You may want to find a longer cable and get it before you install - it will save some immediate gratification frustration. They are easily found on the web.
 
3) The emulator didn't work immediately after I installed it. The Disclavier didn't see any of the .fil files I put on the flash memory. After going back and reading the manual more closely I realized I missed the part about the emulator settings file. There needs to be a separate file on the media that tells the emulator how to work (this is probably a simplified description, but it's how I understand it). The associated software will create that for you. After a few attempts I got it all to work fine. I think it finally worked with the default settings in the software.
 
The emulator allows playback of external MIDI files in the same way the floppy drive did. You just have to load an emulator .fil file first, and then the Disclavier will let you press the MIDI button to see an external MIDI input.
 
Big thanks to the folks who found and pioneered this great fix and update!
 
As for Van Basco, when I have played MIDI files in VB to the Disclavier, keys and pedals will hang in the depressed position when I stop or pause the playback in the middle of a file. I assume that that VB is not issuing a "release" command when I do this. I can't imagine that leaving keys and pedals hanging is good for the playback mechanisms. They will "relax" after maybe 5-10 seconds.
 
I've looked for a setting in VB related to this but haven't found one. I thought that "Reset on pause" in the Settings window might fix it, but it had no effect on this issue so I'm not sure what it does.
 
Anyone run into this problem? Any thoughts about a fix? Or maybe it's a setting in the Disclavier I don't know about. Or maybe I don't need to worry about it, that the Disclavier won't be harmed by hanging notes.
 
I've been reading with interest the "channel 3" variable pedal MIDI discussion. I've also run into that pedal noise issue. When I get some time I'll go back and study the posts.
 
Thanks again to everyone for the great tools and information found on this board.
 
Scott
 

 

 

 

 

 

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