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Buying pianos out of state

Buying pianos out of state

2001-12-19 by Carol Beigel

I know that several on the list have purchased DKVs out of state and have 
had very good luck with this.  Yamaha offers an excellent warranty so the 
basics are covered.

However, as a piano technician, I find this  a most distressing practice.  I 
honestly think you don't always get such a good deal.
Let's get real about a few things. It's all about money; and in a 
transaction where a buyer gets "a real deal", somebody in that chain is 
expected to pay more than their fair share.  I'm still shuddering over the 
poor piano technician who spent 10 hours PLUS installing the Quiet Time on a 
DKV.  Somehow, I doubt the technician made the same amount of money he or 
she would have made had they spent the same amount of time tuning pianos!

I have seen pianos "dumped" on out of state customers.  They often have 
cosmetic blemishes or problems that a local customer would continue to 
complain about until the problem was fixed.  THink about it.  If you were a 
piano dealer, you would always have some stock that for whatever reason is 
going to be hard to sell.  The dealer can either pay his tech to fix the 
problem, or save money and ship it out of state.  Or perhaps the dealer's 
forklift man accidently "dropped" the piano still in the packing crate - 
another good candidate to ship far, far away!

There are very few piano technicians who can properly service ANY of these 
hybrid pianos whether they are PianoDisc, Pianomation or Disklavier.  If you 
live in a large metropolitan area, these are probably the best paid 
technicians as well. These techs usually work out monetary arrangements with 
the local dealers that benefit both parties.  An out of state purchase is 
not part of this arrangement for either priority servicing or attractive 
service rates.

The biggest problem I see is that no local person has an investment in your 
satisfaction with your big ticket purchase.  Your local public school system 
sure didn't see a dime either because you avoided sales tax.  How satisfied 
would you be if some small little blemish bothered you (not covered under 
warranty) or some small, little irritating, intermittent noise (not covered 
under warranty)really bothered you?  Be prepared to pay a hefty hourly rate 
for such service up front and prepare yourself to negotiate a payment for 
such service from your out of state dealer.

I still find the Golden Rule applies to business - deal fairly and fairly 
you will be dealt with. If you bleed every last dollar out of a deal, you 
will have also bled every ounce of goodwill out it too!

Carol Beigel



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Buying pianos out of state

2001-12-19 by Brown, Meta

Carol Beigel posted a heartfelt message on this topic yesterday, focused on
what we have to lose by failing to support a good local dealer.  Her points
were well taken here.  In the case that a good local dealer is available,
I'm all for supporting that dealer, and I'm willing to pay a reasonable
price to do so.  Many of us have shopped around for dealers because our
local dealers didn't seem so hot.  The dealer in my area never showed much
interest in me when I visited the shop with intent to purchase, so why would
I expect that I'd get superior service after the sale?

Meta Brown

Re: [disklavier] Buying pianos out of state

2001-12-19 by Jim Hendershot

Hello to the group!  I hope you have a wonderful Christmas and a great New 
Year!

I have been reading with interest the thread on buying DKVs out of 
state.  I too, believe in supporting the local dealer.  When I bought my 
Disklavier several years ago, I shopped around, got a price, went to my 
local dealer with the information, and he beat the price I gave 
him.  Naturally, I bought my piano locally.  I was pleased with their 
service (for a while) and in general thought I made a good choice.

All that has changed...

The problem is:  My dealer is no longer a Yamaha dealer.  They don't sell, 
service or even want to discuss Disklaviers any longer.  I live in Southern 
Oregon, in Grants Pass, and now the nearest dealer is in Eugene, about 3 
hours away.  Service?  Not a chance.  The local dealer does it no longer, 
and the Eugene store can't afford to send someone on a 6 hours round 
trip.  Rather, I can't afford to pay them for the 6 hour round trip.

What do I do?  Well, I have a fairly good local piano technician who has 
been to some Disklavier training, but other than that, I am out of luck.  I 
have a Mark 2, and would like to upgrade, but that isn't likely, since no 
one local can sell me the upgrade.  My DKV remains in the dark ages, and I 
am learning to live with it.  Most of the Internet uploads are not usable 
for me, since I can't play anything other than ESEQ and MIDI type 0 files 
only, and not intermixed.  I haven't had the time to use my Geibler 
utilities to fix the problem, but I'll get around to it eventually...

Bottom line:  If you have a good local dealer, be thankful, and support 
them if you can.  If not, too bad...  You'll just have to make do (and it 
isn't pretty!).

Best Regards,
Jim Hendershot




Jim Hendershot, WA6VQP
President
Radio Design Group, Inc.
1829 Hubbard Lane
Grants Pass, OR  97527

http://www.radiodesign.com
E-mail:  jimh@...
Tel:  (800) 343-9600
Alt:  (541) 471-1100
Fax:  (541) 471-3489

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Re: [disklavier] Buying pianos out of state

2001-12-20 by Don Lawsons Keyboard Center

Mr. Hendershot,
     I am the Yamaha Dealer in Eugene.  I would be glad to discuss the upgrade for your Mark II with you.  Also there is now a Yamaha Dealer in Medford.  They have just opened.  I can get this information for you from the District Manager.  We want you to get the service and help
you need.  So, if I can be of help call me at 541-343-3470
   Sincerely,
   David Lawson
    Lawson's Keyboard Center

Jim Hendershot wrote:
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> Hello to the group!  I hope you have a wonderful Christmas and a great New
> Year!
>
> I have been reading with interest the thread on buying DKVs out of
> state.  I too, believe in supporting the local dealer.  When I bought my
> Disklavier several years ago, I shopped around, got a price, went to my
> local dealer with the information, and he beat the price I gave
> him.  Naturally, I bought my piano locally.  I was pleased with their
> service (for a while) and in general thought I made a good choice.
>
> All that has changed...
>
> The problem is:  My dealer is no longer a Yamaha dealer.  They don't sell,
> service or even want to discuss Disklaviers any longer.  I live in Southern
> Oregon, in Grants Pass, and now the nearest dealer is in Eugene, about 3
> hours away.  Service?  Not a chance.  The local dealer does it no longer,
> and the Eugene store can't afford to send someone on a 6 hours round
> trip.  Rather, I can't afford to pay them for the 6 hour round trip.
>
> What do I do?  Well, I have a fairly good local piano technician who has
> been to some Disklavier training, but other than that, I am out of luck.  I
> have a Mark 2, and would like to upgrade, but that isn't likely, since no
> one local can sell me the upgrade.  My DKV remains in the dark ages, and I
> am learning to live with it.  Most of the Internet uploads are not usable
> for me, since I can't play anything other than ESEQ and MIDI type 0 files
> only, and not intermixed.  I haven't had the time to use my Geibler
> utilities to fix the problem, but I'll get around to it eventually...
>
> Bottom line:  If you have a good local dealer, be thankful, and support
> them if you can.  If not, too bad...  You'll just have to make do (and it
> isn't pretty!).
>
> Best Regards,
> Jim Hendershot
>
> Jim Hendershot, WA6VQP
> President
> Radio Design Group, Inc.
> 1829 Hubbard Lane
> Grants Pass, OR  97527
>
> http://www.radiodesign.com
> E-mail:  jimh@...
> Tel:  (800) 343-9600
> Alt:  (541) 471-1100
> Fax:  (541) 471-3489
>
> Design and Engineering For a Wireless World
>
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