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conversion of floppy discs

2017-04-13 by <johnledwon@...>

I recently acquired from a friend about 150 Yamaha Disklavier floppy discs and want to convert them to play my Live Performance player. (It can play any of the digital piano systems…hopefully!) Unfortunately when I put a disc into the USB floppy drive on my computer I get a message that the “Disk media is not recognized. The disc may not be formatted.”


Is there a program available that will allow my computer to read these Yamaha disks and copy the files to my computer so I can burn a CD to play on my Live Performance player.


Thanks,


John Ledwon, Henderson, Nevada

Re: [disklavier] conversion of floppy discs

2017-04-13 by Alan Dorschug

John

Try these websites:

http://www.carolrpt.com/musicsoftware.htm

http://www.midiplayertools.com/musicsoftware.htm

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From: johnledwon@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 13, 2017 12:59 pm
Subject: [disklavier] conversion of floppy discs

I recently acquired from a friend about 150 Yamaha Disklavier floppy discs and want to convert them to play my Live Performance player. (It can play any of the digital piano systems…hopefully!) Unfortunately when I put a disc into the USB floppy drive on my computer I get a message that the “Disk media is not recognized. The disc may not be formatted.”

Is there a program available that will allow my computer to read these Yamaha disks and copy the files to my computer so I can burn a CD to play on my Live Performance player.

Thanks,

John Ledwon, Henderson, Nevada

Re: [disklavier] conversion of floppy discs

2017-04-13 by Mark Fontana

Hi John,

You can do it using this software to read the floppies:
http://www.kinura.net/ppfbu/

followed by MID2PianoCD to transcode the tracks to LX format:
http://www.kinura.net/mid2pianocd/

The time-consuming part is keying all the title/composer/pianist 
information into PPFBU as you go.  But if you do that, you'll get 
perfectly-tagged (annotated), ready-to-use MP3 files out of the 
conversion by MID2PianoCD.

Contact me offline before you start and I may be able to save you some 
time.  I've already converted hundreds of floppies for use on more 
modern systems, so I have a lot of the metadata on hand already.  Too 
bad there's no central repository for this information the way there is 
for ripping music CDs.

Mark Fontana

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On 04/13/2017 11:48 AM, johnledwon@... [disklavier] wrote:
>
> I recently acquired from a friend about 150 Yamaha Disklavier floppy 
> discs and want to convert them to play my Live Performance player. (It 
> can play any of the digital piano systems\u2026hopefully!) Unfortunately 
> when I put a disc into the USB floppy drive on my computer I get a 
> message that the \u201cDisk media is not recognized. The disc may not be 
> formatted.\u201d
>
> Is there a program available that will allow my computer to read these 
> Yamaha disks and copy the files to my computer so I can burn a CD to 
> play on my Live Performance player.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Ledwon, Henderson, Nevada
>

Re: [disklavier] conversion of floppy discs

2017-04-13 by Spencer Chase

you can find a lot of information on the following page. dkv utils includes a program for converting eseq to midi. the original floppies are probably 720 K not 1.44 meg so you need to start by using the various utils to rip those. then you can convert to midi and then either play as MIDI on your LX or convert to the audio format for the LX using Mid2pianoCD. i thought that Mark Fontana had written a program for ripping floppies but can not find it anywhere. If he did write one, it is the preferred method because everything he does is top notch.

if you need help adding meta data to the MIDI files or MP3 tags to files to play on the LX, i have a variety of tools that make that a lot easier. I play my LX pianos using Media Monkey and really like to have the MP3 tags displayed.

http://www.midiplayertools.com/disks.htm

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212

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From: "johnledwon@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 4/13/2017 9:48:38 AM

Subject: [disklavier] conversion of floppy discs

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I recently acquired from a friend about 150 Yamaha Disklavier floppy discs and want to convert them to play my Live Performance player. (It can play any of the digital piano systems…hopefully!) Unfortunately when I put a disc into the USB floppy drive on my computer I get a message that the “Disk media is not recognized. The disc may not be formatted.”

Is there a program available that will allow my computer to read these Yamaha disks and copy the files to my computer so I can burn a CD to play on my Live Performance player.

Thanks,

John Ledwon, Henderson, Nevada

Re[2]: [disklavier] conversion of floppy discs

2017-04-13 by Spencer Chase

Mark might have more efficient methods but I have a program that makes the tag.txt files used by Mid2PianoCD from a tabbed text listing. This is what I used to add the meta data to the thousands of yamaha e-comp files after laboriously extracting the data from their mess of a web site.

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From: "Mark Fontana mark@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 4/13/2017 10:42:47 AM

Subject: Re: [disklavier] conversion of floppy discs

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Hi John,

You can do it using this software to read the floppies:
http://www.kinura.net/ppfbu/

followed by MID2PianoCD to transcode the tracks to LX format:
http://www.kinura.net/mid2pianocd/

The time-consuming part is keying all the title/composer/pianist information into PPFBU as you go. But if you do that, you'll get perfectly-tagged (annotated), ready-to-use MP3 files out of the conversion by MID2PianoCD.

Contact me offline before you start and I may be able to save you some time. I've already converted hundreds of floppies for use on more modern systems, so I have a lot of the metadata on hand already. Too bad there's no central repository for this information the way there is for ripping music CDs.

Mark Fontana

On 04/13/2017 11:48 AM, johnledwon@... [disklavier] wrote:

I recently acquired from a friend about 150 Yamaha Disklavier floppy discs and want to convert them to play my Live Performance player. (It can play any of the digital piano systems…hopefully!) Unfortunately when I put a disc into the USB floppy drive on my computer I get a message that the “Disk media is not recognized. The disc may not be formatted.”

Is there a program available that will allow my computer to read these Yamaha disks and copy the files to my computer so I can burn a CD to play on my Live Performance player.

Thanks,

John Ledwon, Henderson, Nevada

RE: [disklavier] conversion of floppy discs

2017-04-13 by <johnledwon@...>

Hi Mark,

We talked quite a bit several years ago when I wanted to convert my Pianocorder cassettes to something that would work on my Live Performance player (guess the correct abbreviation for that is LX?) The files I received from you worked great but then I moved and while I still have all those Pianocorder files (hopefully they are still good) I have never been able to connect the LX directly to the automation computer which was how they were controlled in the old house.

I have all the Yamaha discs that Terry Cutshall had. He was severely ill and near death but has made a remarkable recovery. Because of his illness he sold off his Yamaha piano and wanted to dispose of all his Yamaha discs so I took them hoping to be able to convert them to play on my LX. Judging from the several people that have responded to my request I am wondering if it wouldn’t be easier to just put the files on a dedicated iPad and run them from the iPad rather than burn them on CDs. Incidentally, need to pay him for the disks…do you have any idea how to evaluate their worth?

My LX is installed in a Steinway C grand and also plays from a Wurlitzer theatre organ I have installed in the house. It took some convincing but Wayne finally sent me a CD that took out the ½ second time delay in the MIDI system so the piano plays great from the organ…expression and all.

But I digress, As I said in the posting on the Diskalvier list I have about 150 Yamaha discs in their original “CD” like jewel cases which I would like to convert. When I saw he discs I thought they were CDs as they were in the CD jewel cases. Terry did give me a USB floppy drive to convert them but I didn’t realize that 95% of the cases had a floppy disks in them.

Anyway, that is where I am at, I certainly would appreciate any help you can provide.

Cheers,

John

702 767 8772

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From: Mark Fontana mark@... [disklavier]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:42 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] conversion of floppy discs

Hi John,

You can do it using this software to read the floppies:
http://www.kinura.net/ppfbu/

followed by MID2PianoCD to transcode the tracks to LX format:
http://www.kinura.net/mid2pianocd/

The time-consuming part is keying all the title/composer/pianist information into PPFBU as you go.  But if you do that, you'll get perfectly-tagged (annotated), ready-to-use MP3 files out of the conversion by MID2PianoCD.

Contact me offline before you start and I may be able to save you some time.  I've already converted hundreds of floppies for use on more modern systems, so I have a lot of the metadata on hand already.  Too bad there's no central repository for this information the way there is for ripping music CDs.

Mark Fontana

On 04/13/2017 11:48 AM, johnledwon@... [disklavier] wrote:

I recently acquired from a friend about 150 Yamaha Disklavier floppy discs and want to convert them to play my Live Performance player. (It can play any of the digital piano systems…hopefully!) Unfortunately when I put a disc into the USB floppy drive on my computer I get a message that the “Disk media is not recognized. The disc may not be formatted.”

Is there a program available that will allow my computer to read these Yamaha disks and copy the files to my computer so I can burn a CD to play on my Live Performance player.

Thanks,

John Ledwon, Henderson, Nevada

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Re: Re[2]: [disklavier] conversion of floppy discs

2017-04-13 by acejazz@...

How can I get a copy of the program?
Al Edwards
acejazz@...

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> On Apr 13, 2017, at 10:49 AM, 'Spencer Chase' lists@spencerserolls.com [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Mark might have more efficient methods but I have a program that makes the tag.txt files used by Mid2PianoCD from a tabbed text listing. This is what I used to add the meta data to the thousands of yamaha e-comp files after laboriously extracting the data from their mess of a web site. 
>  
>  
> Best regards, Spencer Chase
> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
> 21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
> Spencer@...
> Spencer@...
> Spencer@mcn.org
> http://www.spencerserolls.com
> http://www.poodlex.com
> (425) 791-0309
> (707) 223-8212
> 
> 
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Mark Fontana mark@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 4/13/2017 10:42:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] conversion of floppy discs
> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> You can do it using this software to read the floppies:
>> http://www.kinura.net/ppfbu/
>> 
>> followed by MID2PianoCD to transcode the tracks to LX format:
>> http://www.kinura.net/mid2pianocd/
>> 
>> The time-consuming part is keying all the title/composer/pianist information into PPFBU as you go.  But if you do that, you'll get perfectly-tagged (annotated), ready-to-use MP3 files out of the conversion by MID2PianoCD.
>> 
>> Contact me offline before you start and I may be able to save you some time.  I've already converted hundreds of floppies for use on more modern systems, so I have a lot of the metadata on hand already.  Too bad there's no central repository for this information the way there is for ripping music CDs.
>> 
>> Mark Fontana
>> 
>> 
>>> On 04/13/2017 11:48 AM, johnledwon@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>>  
>>> I recently acquired from a friend about 150 Yamaha Disklavier floppy discs and want to convert them to play my Live Performance player. (It can play any of the digital piano systems…hopefully!) Unfortunately when I put a disc into the USB floppy drive on my computer I get a message that the “Disk media is not recognized. The disc may not be formatted.”
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Is there a program available that will allow my computer to read these Yamaha disks and copy the files to my computer so I can burn a CD to play on my Live Performance player.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> John Ledwon, Henderson, Nevada
>>> 
> 
>

Re: Re[2]: [disklavier] conversion of floppy discs

2017-04-14 by Brad Harper

Is anyone still using the Giebler Enterprises utilities for the Disklavier? The two main programs DOMSMF and YDM allowed you to read and write Yamaha formatted disks and convert ESC Yamaha song files to MIDI files and visa-versa. Both programs originally had a problem running on updated PC hardware. The YDM program(Yamaha Disk Manager) needed direct access to the floppy drive hardware, with an IDE interface. That is why it would not work with USB attached diskette drives that are common on Laptops, or as an option on most other hardware because diskette drives are no longer standard. For that reason, and space, diskettes have become mostly obsolete. Even if you had a PC with an IDE interfaced diskette drive, both programs originally had a bug that would not allow them to be run on a PC that ran faster than 250Mhz. This was caused by a bug in the Borland compiler that was used to create the two executable files. The files originally made for MS-DOS, would also only run under Windows 95 or Windows 98 because of the underlying MS-DOS boot code. The speed bug was fixed, by patching the two executable files with a program that was created to fix executables that had the problem. That program is called PATCHCRT.EXE. Once patched, the executables will run on the latest CPU's. If you order now from Giebler, the executable files have been fixed. If you have a PC with an IDE interfaced Diskette, you can create a partition, or add an additional hard drive and install and run either MS-DOS 6.22 or Windows 95 or 98. I use a second hard drive with MS-DOS 6.22 installed on a FAT partition. I boot from either hard drive by selecting which one to boot to from the F8 boot option menu. Most obsolete or abandoned Operating systems or programs are available for download at http:\\www.winworldpc.com including MS-DOS 6.22 and WIN95 and WIN98. I keep a PC with the diskette drive, mainly for the Disklavier Disks, that pop up from time to time. If you want any additional info, email me directly at either address or goto http:\\www.Giebler.com.

PS: The Geibler programs have a cost of $54.95

Brad Harper cell 616-644-9594
brad.harper1821@gmail.com
Sent from my iPad

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> On Apr 13, 2017, at 4:28 PM, acejazz@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> How can I get a copy of the program?
> Al Edwards
> acejazz@...
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 10:49 AM, 'Spencer Chase' lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> Mark might have more efficient methods but I have a program that makes the tag.txt files used by Mid2PianoCD from a tabbed text listing. This is what I used to add the meta data to the thousands of yamaha e-comp files after laboriously extracting the data from their mess of a web site. 
>>  
>>  
>> Best regards, Spencer Chase
>> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
>> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
>> 21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
>> Spencer@...
>> Spencer@...
>> Spencer@...
>> http://www.spencerserolls.com
>> http://www.poodlex.com
>> (425) 791-0309
>> (707) 223-8212
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Mark Fontana mark@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: 4/13/2017 10:42:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [disklavier] conversion of floppy discs
>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> You can do it using this software to read the floppies:
>>> http://www.kinura.net/ppfbu/
>>> 
>>> followed by MID2PianoCD to transcode the tracks to LX format:
>>> http://www.kinura.net/mid2pianocd/
>>> 
>>> The time-consuming part is keying all the title/composer/pianist information into PPFBU as you go.  But if you do that, you'll get perfectly-tagged (annotated), ready-to-use MP3 files out of the conversion by MID2PianoCD.
>>> 
>>> Contact me offline before you start and I may be able to save you some time.  I've already converted hundreds of floppies for use on more modern systems, so I have a lot of the metadata on hand already.  Too bad there's no central repository for this information the way there is for ripping music CDs.
>>> 
>>> Mark Fontana
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 04/13/2017 11:48 AM, johnledwon@... [disklavier] wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> I recently acquired from a friend about 150 Yamaha Disklavier floppy discs and want to convert them to play my Live Performance player. (It can play any of the digital piano systems…hopefully!) Unfortunately when I put a disc into the USB floppy drive on my computer I get a message that the “Disk media is not recognized. The disc may not be formatted.”
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Is there a program available that will allow my computer to read these Yamaha disks and copy the files to my computer so I can burn a CD to play on my Live Performance player.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> John Ledwon, Henderson, Nevada
>>>> 
>> 
> 
>

Re[4]: [disklavier] conversion of floppy discs

2017-04-14 by Spencer Chase

but the software from Mark Fontana is free (contributions recommended to support all he has done for us) and it works on any PC. so unless you really want to revive the 80's nurd in you, why bother with Giebler stuff?

i bought the Giebler utilities a long time ago and never used it. i probably have the old version with the bug but if anyone wants it, i'll trade it for something of equal value. To be fair the the author I would either find and destroy the original floppies if that is how it was supplied, send disc images and delete all things Giebler from my computer.

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@...
Spencer@poodlex.com
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212

------ Original Message ------

From: "Brad Harper bharper33@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 4/14/2017 7:11:51 AM

Subject: Re: Re[2]: [disklavier] conversion of floppy discs

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Is anyone still using the Giebler Enterprises utilities for the Disklavier? The two main programs DOMSMF and YDM allowed you to read and write Yamaha formatted disks and convert ESC Yamaha song files to MIDI files and visa-versa. Both programs originally had a problem running on updated PC hardware. The YDM program(Yamaha Disk Manager) needed direct access to the floppy drive hardware, with an IDE interface. That is why it would not work with USB attached diskette drives that are common on Laptops, or as an option on most other hardware because diskette drives are no longer standard. For that reason, and space, diskettes have become mostly obsolete. Even if you had a PC with an IDE interfaced diskette drive, both programs originally had a bug that would not allow them to be run on a PC that ran faster than 250Mhz. This was caused by a bug in the Borland compiler that was used to create the two executable files. The files originally made for MS-DOS, would also only run under Windows 95 or Windows 98 because of the underlying MS-DOS boot code. The speed bug was fixed, by patching the two executable files with a program that was created to fix executables that had the problem. That program is called PATCHCRT.EXE. Once patched, the executables will run on the latest CPU's. If you order now from Giebler, the executable files have been fixed. If you have a PC with an IDE interfaced Diskette, you can create a partition, or add an additional hard drive and install and run either MS-DOS 6.22 or Windows 95 or 98. I use a second hard drive with MS-DOS 6.22 installed on a FAT partition. I boot from either hard drive by selecting which one to boot to from the F8 boot option menu. Most obsolete or abandoned Operating systems or programs are available for download at http:\\www.winworldpc.com including MS-DOS 6.22 and WIN95 and WIN98. I keep a PC with the diskette drive, mainly for the Disklavier Disks, that pop up from time to time. If you want any additional info, email me directly at either address or goto http:\\www.Giebler.com.

PS: The Geibler programs have a cost of $54.95

Brad Harper cell 616-644-9594
brad.harper1821@...
Sent from my iPad

On Apr 13, 2017, at 4:28 PM, acejazz@yahoo.com [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

How can I get a copy of the program?
Al Edwards
acejazz@yahoo.com

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 13, 2017, at 10:49 AM, 'Spencer Chase' lists@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Mark might have more efficient methods but I have a program that makes the tag.txt files used by Mid2PianoCD from a tabbed text listing. This is what I used to add the meta data to the thousands of yamaha e-comp files after laboriously extracting the data from their mess of a web site.

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212

------ Original Message ------

From: "Mark Fontana mark@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 4/13/2017 10:42:47 AM

Subject: Re: [disklavier] conversion of floppy discs

Hi John,

You can do it using this software to read the floppies:
http://www.kinura.net/ppfbu/

followed by MID2PianoCD to transcode the tracks to LX format:
http://www.kinura.net/mid2pianocd/

The time-consuming part is keying all the title/composer/pianist information into PPFBU as you go. But if you do that, you'll get perfectly-tagged (annotated), ready-to-use MP3 files out of the conversion by MID2PianoCD.

Contact me offline before you start and I may be able to save you some time. I've already converted hundreds of floppies for use on more modern systems, so I have a lot of the metadata on hand already. Too bad there's no central repository for this information the way there is for ripping music CDs.

Mark Fontana

On 04/13/2017 11:48 AM, johnledwon@... [disklavier] wrote:

I recently acquired from a friend about 150 Yamaha Disklavier floppy discs and want to convert them to play my Live Performance player. (It can play any of the digital piano systems…hopefully!) Unfortunately when I put a disc into the USB floppy drive on my computer I get a message that the “Disk media is not recognized. The disc may not be formatted.”

Is there a program available that will allow my computer to read these Yamaha disks and copy the files to my computer so I can burn a CD to play on my Live Performance player.

Thanks,

John Ledwon, Henderson, Nevada