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New Member and a response for MIDI velocity

2003-03-12 by bdpotts

Hi everyone,

I just joined the group today.  I've had a Yamaha DC2S grand for a 
little over 2 years now.  For those not familiar with the model 
numbers it is a C2 grand with the Disklavier and the silent option.

I love the silent option because I can practice at night while the 
kids are sleeping.

I don't have a whole lot to offer to the original poster of the MIDI 
velocity question, but I do have a "reverse" observation.

I have downloaded several MIDI piano pieces for the piano.  I learned 
quickly that you don't just download and play it on the piano.  
People who sequence these pieces must play them back on their 
computer instead of an analog device like the disklavier because the 
velocity is almost always set near the maximum (usually above 120, I 
see 127 a LOT).

If you've ever played something with this velocity on a Disklavier 
Grand, you know it is LOUD (and the little bit of volume that you can 
adjust doesn't cut it).

I've found I need to adjust MIDI velocities down around 80.  I 
haven't found an easy way to do this (I have Cakewalk Home Studio).

Other interesting MIDI to disklavier items I have found:

1.  People who sequence tend to "pedal off" and "pedal on" so quickly 
that the piano can't actually respond, leading to a "pedal on" all 
the time.  There needs to be some "clicks" (referring to 
bar/beat/click in cakewalk) in order for the piano to physically get 
the pedal off before it goes back on.

2. Sequencers that produce a seperate left and right hand 
create "pedal on" and "pedal off" events for both the left and right 
hand.  This is great for a MIDI device, but totally confuses a piano 
with only one pedal.  It usually results in a "pedal on" all the time 
situation. with an occasional "pedal off" if both the left and right 
hand have the pedal off at the same time.

3. Many times the piano part is not channel 1 and 2 (for left and 
right hand) I have had the piano play the part of a different 
instrument and have the piano part coming out of the speaker.  This 
is actually pretty easy to change though.

At first the music I played on the piano wasn't very pleasing.  Now 
after making these changes to different pieces it's much better.  

One interesting thing I did this past halloween was to download a 
bunch of "scary" music.  Our piano is near a window by our front 
door.  The piano was playing the music all evening by itself, like 
the ghost and Mr. Chicken (actually this is one of the pieces I 
had).  It was pretty funny.

Thanks for the forum.

Brian

RE: [disklavier] New Member and a response for MIDI velocity

2003-03-13 by Todd Muncy

If you want a "quick and dirty" (and effective) way to adjust
velocities, try the veloset program.  It is part of the DKVUTILS suite
of programs available in the Files section of the group site.
Here is a link directly to the file:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/disklavier/files/Utility%20Programs/dkvuti
ls.zip.  By right clicking on this link, you should be able to save it
right to your hard drive.
 
Enjoy,
Todd
Disklavier-owner@yahoogroups.com 
Http://MuncyFamily.com <http://muncyfamily.com/>  
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From: bdpotts [mailto:bdpotts@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:55 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [disklavier] New Member and a response for MIDI velocity
 
Hi everyone,

I just joined the group today.  I've had a Yamaha DC2S grand for a 
little over 2 years now.  For those not familiar with the model 
numbers it is a C2 grand with the Disklavier and the silent option.

I love the silent option because I can practice at night while the 
kids are sleeping.

I don't have a whole lot to offer to the original poster of the MIDI 
velocity question, but I do have a "reverse" observation.

I have downloaded several MIDI piano pieces for the piano.  I learned 
quickly that you don't just download and play it on the piano.  
People who sequence these pieces must play them back on their 
computer instead of an analog device like the disklavier because the 
velocity is almost always set near the maximum (usually above 120, I 
see 127 a LOT).

If you've ever played something with this velocity on a Disklavier 
Grand, you know it is LOUD (and the little bit of volume that you can 
adjust doesn't cut it).

I've found I need to adjust MIDI velocities down around 80.  I 
haven't found an easy way to do this (I have Cakewalk Home Studio).

Other interesting MIDI to disklavier items I have found:

1.  People who sequence tend to "pedal off" and "pedal on" so quickly 
that the piano can't actually respond, leading to a "pedal on" all 
the time.  There needs to be some "clicks" (referring to 
bar/beat/click in cakewalk) in order for the piano to physically get 
the pedal off before it goes back on.

2. Sequencers that produce a seperate left and right hand 
create "pedal on" and "pedal off" events for both the left and right 
hand.  This is great for a MIDI device, but totally confuses a piano 
with only one pedal.  It usually results in a "pedal on" all the time 
situation. with an occasional "pedal off" if both the left and right 
hand have the pedal off at the same time.

3. Many times the piano part is not channel 1 and 2 (for left and 
right hand) I have had the piano play the part of a different 
instrument and have the piano part coming out of the speaker.  This 
is actually pretty easy to change though.

At first the music I played on the piano wasn't very pleasing.  Now 
after making these changes to different pieces it's much better.  

One interesting thing I did this past halloween was to download a 
bunch of "scary" music.  Our piano is near a window by our front 
door.  The piano was playing the music all evening by itself, like 
the ghost and Mr. Chicken (actually this is one of the pieces I 
had).  It was pretty funny.

Thanks for the forum.

Brian





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Re: [disklavier] New Member and a response for MIDI velocity

2003-03-13 by Carol Beigel

You will probably just love the free veloset program in the dkutil in the 
file vault on this list.  It very quickly adjusts the volume a MIDI file 
will play on your Disklavier.  There is also the dkvutil that has a nice 
jukebox program for MIDI files.

Another good program is gnmidi from Guenter Nagler.  I believe a trial 
version is also on this website and it is definitely worth the $30 to "rent 
it for life" as he puts it.  It too, will adjust the velocity of a MIDI 
file.  Another nice feature of this program is that you can download a MIDI 
file, and regardless of what musical intruments it is sequenced for, you can 
push just one menu item and have all the tracks put on Channel 1 for the 
piano.  That feature is called "prepare piano program for PianoDisc".  While 
it does this, it also creates a MIDI 0 file.

I think the pedal info for older Disklaviers is recorded on channel 1, and 
newer DKVs record incremental pedaling on channel 3.  I'm sure PianoBench 
knows for sure and will correct me if this is wrong!

Where did you find the "scary" music?

Carol Beigel
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Re: [disklavier] New Member and a response for MIDI velocity

2003-03-13 by PianoBench@aol.com

Good morning, everyone.

In a message dated 3/13/03 8:21:31 AM, Carol writes:

<< I think the pedal info for older Disklaviers is recorded on channel 1, and 
newer DKVs record incremental pedaling on channel 3.  I'm sure PianoBench 
knows for sure and will correct me if this is wrong! >>

Actually, the older Disklaviers that recorded E-SEQ files recorded the notes 
and on/off pedals on channel 1 (or channels 1 + 2 if a left-hand/right-hand 
split recording was made) and the incremental pedal data (if any) on channel 
3. Even if there was incremental data on channel 3, there was always on/off 
data on channel(s) 1 and/or 2.

With the change to Standard MIDI Files, later Disklaviers--starting with the 
Mark IIXG) recorded the notes and pedals (on/off or incremental) on the same 
channels, normally channel(s) 1 and/or 2.

The Mark II could play SMFs of Type 0 but could not record them.

If you have access to a Mark IIXG or later Disklaver, you can examine these 
distinctions by using the Disklavier's song convert function to convert a 
file between E-SEQ and SMF.

Regards,
PianoBench

Re: New Member and a response for MIDI velocity

2003-03-13 by bdpotts

Todd:  Thanks for the link to the disklavier utility.  I going to try 
it for sure.

Carol: The scary music came from all over.  Most of it wasn't created 
for piano, but I converted the parts I thought would sound best to 
piano.  I'll try to post some of them before next halloween :-).  In 
the mean time, here are some of the links that I remember

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Zone/8317/halloween98/index.htm
http://www.cavernsofblood.com/scarystuff.html#images
http://www.ldynwaitin.hispeed.com/halloween/halloweenmusic.html

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