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Volume Control

2005-04-03 by garyccomfort

We recently purchased a new DGC1 playback Disklavier.  When we play
from a disk (piano only), the volume setting seems to loud.  I'd like
to be able to soften the sound.  The manual says that one can adjust
the volume using the LED volume indicators.  I have it set to -10.  

The manual also says to "Make sure the VOLUME knob on the Amplifier is
set to an appropriately audble level.  If the volume knob on the
Amplifier is tuned fully counterclockwise, no sound may be produced
even when you adjust the volume on the Control unit."

Adjusting this volume control on the Amplifier seems to have no
effect.  Is something wrong with my unit - or does this master volume
control on the Amplifier not have any effect on the volume of the
piano playback?

Thanks.

                         gary comfort

Re: [disklavier] Volume Control

2005-04-03 by steinbrink@aol.com

Gary,

I am in your situation with a new Disklavier sitting on a marble floor.  
There is little adjusting you can do when playing the piano in the acoustic or 
piano mode.  It is, after all, a percussion instrument, a piano.  I have done a 
few things.  I had installed Styrofoam sound dampening material under the piano 
board.  That helps reduce the downward sound.  I keep the top completely 
closed, which controls the upward sound.  Both techniques help.

You can play in the digital mode and control the volume, but it is not the 
same, natural piano sound.

Good luck.

Bill Steinbrink

Re: [disklavier] Volume Control

2005-04-04 by James Fry

On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 steinbrink@... wrote:
> I am in your situation with a new Disklavier sitting on a marble floor.
> There is little adjusting you can do when playing the piano in the acoustic or
> piano mode.  It is, after all, a percussion instrument, a piano.  I have done a
> few things.  I had installed Styrofoam sound dampening material under the piano
> board.  That helps reduce the downward sound.  I keep the top completely
> closed, which controls the upward sound.  Both techniques help.
> You can play in the digital mode and control the volume, but it is not the
> same, natural piano sound.

Hello Bill, Gary,

You may wish to speak with your piano technician - he should be able to 
revoice the piano (essentially changing the characteristics of the felt 
hammers) to make it less dominating. Also, you may wish to consider 
placing a fairly thick rug under the piano as this will help absorb sound 
and damp reflections.

I believe there is a company that makes specially shaped dampening 
solutions for different models of piano that can be installed under the 
lid (and possibly the underside of the piano) which also help reduce the 
power output - hopefully someone else on the list can remember who (or it 
might be in the group message archive).

I'm jealous that you have room for a grand piano and have marble floors!
:-)

Regards,

James

Re[2]: [disklavier] Volume Control

2005-04-04 by Spencer_Lists

Greetings James,

What is the point in having a fine grand piano and stuffing it full of
sound absorbing material to make it sound like a stereo with the
volume turned down.

A badly voiced piano or one that is in too reflective a space can
sound terrible but stuffing it up and closing the lid will only make
it worse. It may be quieter but it will sound awful.

Proper voicing and provision of a reasonable acoustic environment are
part of owning a piano. A heavy carpet under the piano will do a lot
reduce the reflected sound from the floor but there may be other
problems with the room and the location of the piano in it. Low
ceilings, small rooms, parallel walls and lack of sound absorbing
materials are some examples. A lot of compensations can be made to
improve any space but deadening the sound at the source is done at the
expense of making the piano sound very unlike a piano.

Most people are not familiar with live piano. They listen to recorded
music as background. It can take a while to learn to appreciate even a
fine piano, especially in a sub-optimal environment. Of course it
makes sense to improve the environment as much as practical and not
just learn to live with something that is really bad. If you need to
piano to be soft enough to converse over, consider talking in another
room. And when you have a crowd over to hear your new impressive toy,
the room full of people will improve the sound greatly.

Anyone who has a fine piano that they think is too loud, is welcome to
give it to me. I'll find a place for another one.


Sunday, April 3, 2005, 5:31:55 PM, you wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 steinbrink@... wrote:
>> I am in your situation with a new Disklavier sitting on a marble floor.
>> There is little adjusting you can do when playing the piano in the acoustic or
>> piano mode.  It is, after all, a percussion instrument, a piano.  I have done a
>> few things.  I had installed Styrofoam sound dampening material under the piano
>> board.  That helps reduce the downward sound.  I keep the top completely
>> closed, which controls the upward sound.  Both techniques help.
>> You can play in the digital mode and control the volume, but it is not the
>> same, natural piano sound.



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Re[2]: [disklavier] Volume Control

2005-04-05 by James Fry

Hello Spencer :)

> What is the point in having a fine grand piano and stuffing it full of
> sound absorbing material to make it sound like a stereo with the
> volume turned down.

I guess it depends on what you want from the piano, and the situation you 
have it in. I'm not lucky enough to own a grand piano - I don't have the 
room for one or the money (and with the way things are this side of the 
pond I don't really see that changing), so maybe I get the wrong end of 
the stick here.

I do own a U1 upright disklavier though, which I believe is one of the 
finest upright pianos available today, and a typical small british house. 
The piano is currently at my parents while I renovate my house, but I 
envisage having to employ exactly the same tactics that I suggested in my 
earlier email just to get the piano down to a managable level in the small 
room I have available. By small room I am talking in the region of 18ft x 
9ft. The room at my parents is around 11ft square.

It will be extremely close (a few inches) to my dining area (as it is at 
my parents) in a small room, with carpetted floor. My piano technician is 
good, and has voiced the piano a couple of times, but it is still too loud 
to have playing on the quietest setting while sat at the table. The 
digital piano sound doesn't really cut it.

Moving the piano into a different room isn't an option. My ground floor 
basically consists of a living/dining room and a kitchen, and pianos don't 
work well upstairs, particularly in terraced houses as sound travels 
through into adjoining houses. One day I might be able to afford a bigger 
house that isn't in the middle of a terraced block with near paper-thin 
walls where I don't need to dampen the sound though. I can even dream of 
getting marble floors I suppose.

While I bought my piano to use/play it, not everyone does the same. Some 
want a solenoid piano to provide "real piano" entertainment during dinner 
engagements, and others buy them primarily as furniture. My hifi 
loudspeakers sound best when cranked up quite high in volume, but my 
girlfriend, her dogs, and my neighbours generally don't appreciate it (and 
most of the time I don't either as I get far too much high volume when out 
playing in bands) so most of the time they run at a very low volume.

I appreciate your comments and views on this, but I want a decent, real 
piano to play on now without disturbing the neighbours too much, or being 
deafening if I do decide to have it playing during a meal. The digital 
piano sound is OK for some practicing, but it is not that pleasant to 
listen to, so I intend to do whatever necessary to reduce the volume level 
of the piano, even if that means sacrificing some of the tonal quality of 
the piano.

On a completely unrelated note, it might not be too long before I can 
start working on building my rollscanner! Whoop! :)

Regards,

James

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