Disklavier

Does anyone have a midi file that basically just goes from the bottom 
of the piano to the top chromatically to make sure all the solonoids 
are firing correctly during playback?
Thanks
Dan

See attached (asuming that YahooGroups will allow me to attach). 
 Otherwise, I'll send it to you privately.  The file plays A1 through C9 
at velocity 64--very boring.

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>Does anyone have a midi file that basically just goes from the bottom 
>of the piano to the top chromatically to make sure all the solonoids 
>are firing correctly during playback?
>Thanks
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Why don't you just do a "record and playback" test?
Either use a floppy or a memory disk, push Record, then
play each key, each pedal, then push Stop.  Play back
the file

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dkingnu" <dkingnu@...>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Midi File for Player system test?


> Does anyone have a midi file that basically just goes
from the bottom
> of the piano to the top chromatically to make sure
all the solonoids
> are firing correctly during playback?
> Thanks
> Dan
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Greetings Robert,

I am currently writing a virtual piano keyboard program specifically
to test notes on DKVs and PDs. I have the basics working and want to
add whatever features are helpful. I have found the various programs
that are available to be not very useful for the testing I want to do.
Here are the features I plan to add. Any other suggestions are
welcome.

Play notes with a mouse click and stop when click stops. Play notes on
and leave them on until cancelled. Play notes for a precisely
determined period of time. Play notes repeatedly until cancelled with
a precise on and off time. Change the velocity for played notes.

The idea is to allow combinations of held and not held notes but this
feature is mainly for pneumatic players.

I'll post a notice when the preliminary program is available but I
would like any suggestions ASAP as implementing them might be easier
if I plan for them in advance.

 Wednesday, February 1, 2006, 10:26:40 AM,
you wrote: > See attached (asuming that YahooGroups will allow me to
attach).  > Otherwise, I'll send it to you privately.  The file plays
A1 through C9 > at velocity 64--very boring.

> dkingnu wrote:

>>Does anyone have a midi file that basically just goes from the bottom 
>>of the piano to the top chromatically to make sure all the solonoids 
>>are firing correctly during playback?
>>Thanks
>>Dan
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Hi,

Just something to be aware of:

If you tell a key to stay on until you cancel itand you leave it on for a considerable length of time (or even forget to cancel it), you could cause overheating and/or damage to the solenoid, even with the temperature sensors.

Adrian Thomas
Milton Keynes
UK

On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:17 , Spencer_Lists <lists@...> sent:

>Greetings Robert,
<snip>
>Play notes with a mouse click and stop when click stops. Play notes on
>and leave them on until cancelled. Play notes for a precisely
>determined period of time. Play notes repeatedly until cancelled with
>a precise on and off time. Change the velocity for played notes.
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I was pleased about the Vintage description of old DK's.  I've just bought a
15 year old G1 disklavier grand and it plays and sounds great and the
disklavier side is very very good considering it is a MkI.  (wagon grand).

Any one else got a vintage DK?

John Hancock  UK

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Behalf Of Adrian Thomas
Sent: 02 February 2006 09:48
To: Robert Welcyng; Spencer_Lists
Subject: Re[2]: [disklavier] Midi File for Player system test?

Hi,

Just something to be aware of:

If you tell a key to stay on until you cancel itand you leave it on for a
considerable length of time (or even forget to cancel it), you could cause
overheating and/or damage to the solenoid, even with the temperature
sensors.

Adrian Thomas
Milton Keynes
UK

On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:17 , Spencer_Lists <lists@...> sent:

>Greetings Robert,
<snip>
>Play notes with a mouse click and stop when click stops. Play notes on
>and leave them on until cancelled. Play notes for a precisely
>determined period of time. Play notes repeatedly until cancelled with
>a precise on and off time. Change the velocity for played notes.
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Greetings Adrian,

To turn a note on, you use a right mouse click and the key color
changes to an obvious purple and stays that way until the key is
turned off. Exiting the program will send note off to each note. Does
this sound like adequate protection? I can also make it turn off all
notes after a fixed period of time but think that would be a little
too "safe". I personally am tired of dealing with protection from
doing things I want to do.


Thursday, February 2, 2006, 1:47:59 AM, you wrote:
> Hi,

> Just something to be aware of:

> If you tell a key to stay on until you cancel itand you leave it on
> for a considerable length of time (or even forget to cancel it), you
> could cause overheating and/or damage to the solenoid, even with the temperature sensors.

> Adrian Thomas
> Milton Keynes
> UK

> On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:17 , Spencer_Lists <lists@...> sent:

>>Greetings Robert,
> <snip>
>>Play notes with a mouse click and stop when click stops. Play notes on
>>and leave them on until cancelled. Play notes for a precisely
>>determined period of time. Play notes repeatedly until cancelled with
>>a precise on and off time. Change the velocity for played notes.
>>
>>


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Greetings Robert,

In addition to the fact that it is unlikely to cause damage, it should be obvious that a key is held down. My program is designed for testing purposes and it would be a pretty unconscious person who would overlook the fact that the key was down and that the key image on the program graphic was dark purple. Besides this, the key hold feature is really intended for owners of pneumatic pianos for the purpose of holding expression codes on while testing. A DKV owner would probably have no need for the hold function which requires a right mouse click.

Thursday, February 2, 2006, 1:05:35 PM, you wrote:

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I think I have my virtual keyboard program working pretty well. At least it works on my computer and will play any of the MIDI devices on my machine including the USB interface to the piano. It is rather large file since it is written in Perl TK and the exe includes the Perl interpreter. However it hardly uses any resources when running. So please only download it if you think it might be useful. I would like any feedback positive or negative.

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Hello,

while it is rare for a key solenoid to burn out (I've never come across a burnt out drive transistor), I have come across a few. The reason for this failure may or may not have been due to overheating through prolonged activation (it could be due to some 
windings on the coil shorting out, causing an over-current). However, as there are only one or two temperature sensors on  a key drive rail, those solenoids furthest from the sensors may conceivably overheat under certain circumstances, before the 
protection comes in. 

I have also come across a few coils, where heat has caused the inner plastic lining to buckle, causing the plunger to jam.

These things only happen very occasionally and, as I said in my ealier message, it's just something to bear in mind. Without deliberately damaging a numerous solenoids on a piano, it would be diffcult to determine exactly what sort of timeframe would be ok 
and at what point you'd risk causing damage.

Adrian Thomas
Milton Keynes
UK

On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:05 , Robert Welcyng <rwelcyng@...> sent:

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>While I cannot guarantee a thing, I personally do not believe that anyone
>need be concerned about damaging their Disklavier by playing extended notes.
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>It would not be difficult for a DKV owner to write a MIDI file that would
>hold a note on for hours. \ufffdThe Yamaha Disklavier designers surely did not
>overlook that eventuality.
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>I have never heard of a key solenoid, or more likely, of a solenoid-driving
>transistor burning out.
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>Consider the following statement from a technical manual: "Continuous usage
>of the DISKLAVIER MK III raises the temperature of the solenoids. Since the
>playback function of the solenoids (in particular, playback of very soft
>notes)
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>(when it is decreased, the data reverts to its original values)."
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>Error message: PIANO POWER OFF! or (PWM OVER)
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>Indication and reason:\ufffd The keyboard & sustain, soft /shift pedal playback
>stop. Playback function cannot be restored until the drive transistor(s)
>has/have cooled down sufficiently and the power has been turned off, then
>turned back on.  One or more key drive transistors have become too hot and
>the protect circuit has activated.
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>Spencer_Lists wrote:
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>  Greetings Adrian,
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>To turn a note on, you use a right mouse click and the key color
>changes to an obvious purple and stays that way until the key is
>turned off. Exiting the program will send note off to each note. Does
>this sound like adequate protection? I can also make it turn off all
>notes after a fixed period of time but think that would be a little
>too "safe". I personally am tired of dealing with protection from
>doing things I want to do.
>
>
>Thursday, February 2, 2006, 1:47:59 AM, you wrote:
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>    Hi,
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>  
>  
>    Just something to be aware of:
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>  
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>    If you tell a key to stay on until you cancel itand you leave it on
>for a considerable length of time (or even forget to cancel it), you
>could cause overheating and/or damage to the solenoid, even with the temperature sensors.
>    
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>    Adrian Thomas
>Milton Keynes
>UK
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>    On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:17 , Spencer_Lists <lists@...> sent:
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>      Greetings Robert,
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>    <snip>
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>      Play notes with a mouse click and stop when click stops. Play notes on
>and leave them on until cancelled. Play notes for a precisely
>determined period of time. Play notes repeatedly until cancelled with
>a precise on and off time. Change the velocity for played notes.
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