Disklavier

I would like to know if it is possible to convert midi files from my
disklavier to wav. files

Who knows how to?

regards,
Tjako van Schie

Hello Tjako,

I found the following program which DOES convert from MIDI to wav files:

http://home.att.net/~audiocompositor/

I was quite shocked that there was such a program.  Give it a try!

A while back, someone asked how to convert from WAV to MIDI, and that seems 
to be much more difficult, if not impossible.

Let us know how the Audio Compositor works!

Mark

At 05:47 AM 10/16/2000, you wrote:

>I would like to know if it is possible to convert midi files from my
>disklavier to wav. files
>
>Who knows how to?
>
>regards,
>Tjako van Schie
>
>
>
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If you are a Windows user, you shouldn't be too shocked.  Any
application that can "record" like the Windows "Sound Recorder"
applet can "convert" MIDI to WAV.

The only problem with Sound Recorder  (in Accessories/Multimedia)
is that it limits recording to 60 seconds.  I have another recorder that
doesn't limit me to the length of recording.

To convert MIDI to WAV, you just start the recording application
recording and then start the MIDI player playing.

You might have to go to the Volume Master Out applet (the little
Loudspeaker in the System Tray)  to set the recording
properties (Options/Properties).

Jack

> Hello Tjako,
>
> I found the following program which DOES convert from MIDI to wav files:
>
> http://home.att.net/~audiocompositor/
>
> I was quite shocked that there was such a program.  Give it a try!
>
> A while back, someone asked how to convert from WAV to MIDI, and that seems
> to be much more difficult, if not impossible.
>
> Let us know how the Audio Compositor works!
>
>Mark
>
> At 05:47 AM 10/16/2000, you wrote:
> >I would like to know if it is possible to convert midi files from my
> >disklavier to wav. files
> >
> >Who knows how to?
> >
> >regards,
> >Tjako van Schie

Tjako,

As I recall, yours is an acoustic instrument--not a digital GranTouch GT. 
Unless you want just a "quick and dirty" wave file, I don't believe you will be
happy with the quality coming from sound cards or sample players.  The best of
them, imo, is Yamaha's GranTouch digital piano and it would not fool an educated
ear.  It does not provide digital output, so its audio output signal must be
recorded.

I believe the only way to make a decent wave file at this time is the old
fashioned way of making an audio recording.  In pursuit of that desire, I have
spent three years learning to record my DC3 Mark II.  I have a DAT recorder and
Neumann TLM-103 microphones.  Not having a studio, I found it quite a fuss to
get everything right.  I have a nice-sized high ceiling room, but had to
eliminate a slap echo between walls by hanging fabric.  To prepare for
recording, I must lay panels over the carpet to liven the room and to reduce the
treble absorption.  Positioning the piano and the mikes took many hours of
experimentation.  I found that the proper voicing of the instrument as well as a
careful tuning was necessary to get a crisp recording.  TV signals were getting
into my recordings through the built-in mike preamps, so I've had to shield the
mikes and amps with a Faraday cage.  Since my piano room is hardly sound-proof,
I must make the recordings (and often re-takes) in the early morning quiet
between jet takeoffs.  I am not in the business of making recordings for others,
nor wish to be, but have made CDs for myself that I am satisfied with.

It seems to be a principle of nature that there are often easy routes to
inferior results, but price for quality gets ever steeper.  Why a selection of
piano sound samples made at many different note velocities cannot be made to
sound like the real thing remains something of a puzzle to me.

Good luck!

Bob
-- 
Robert Welcyng
Anchorage, Alaska

Tjako van Schie wrote:
> 
> I would like to know if it is possible to convert midi files from my
> disklavier to wav. files
> 
> Who knows how to?
> 
> regards,
> Tjako van Schie
> 
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@egroups.com
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://egroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> To visit Todd's family web site that contains some fun disklavier content among other things, go to:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> disklavier-unsubscribe@...
> 
> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> disklavier-subscribe@...

-- 
Robert Welcyng
Anchorage, Alaska

I should have prefaced my comments with .... You'll need a decent sound card
that can reproduce piano sounds. I have an XG-based card.  You certainly don't
want to use FM-Synthesis. In other words, if it sounds bad coming out of your PC
speakers then there is no point in recording it.

Jack








"Jack Schueler" <Jack.Schueler@...> on 10/16/2000 03:28:45 PM

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If you are a Windows user, you shouldn't be too shocked.  Any
application that can "record" like the Windows "Sound Recorder"
applet can "convert" MIDI to WAV.

The only problem with Sound Recorder  (in Accessories/Multimedia)
is that it limits recording to 60 seconds.  I have another recorder that
doesn't limit me to the length of recording.

To convert MIDI to WAV, you just start the recording application
recording and then start the MIDI player playing.

You might have to go to the Volume Master Out applet (the little
Loudspeaker in the System Tray)  to set the recording
properties (Options/Properties).

Jack

> Hello Tjako,
>
> I found the following program which DOES convert from MIDI to wav files:
>
> http://home.att.net/~audiocompositor/
>
> I was quite shocked that there was such a program.  Give it a try!
>
> A while back, someone asked how to convert from WAV to MIDI, and that seems
> to be much more difficult, if not impossible.
>
> Let us know how the Audio Compositor works!
>
>Mark
>
> At 05:47 AM 10/16/2000, you wrote:
> >I would like to know if it is possible to convert midi files from my
> >disklavier to wav. files
> >
> >Who knows how to?
> >
> >regards,
> >Tjako van Schie





To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...

To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send
it to:
disklavier-owner@egroups.com

To reach our group's web site go to:
http://egroups.com/group/disklavier

To visit Todd's family web site that contains some fun disklavier content among
other things, go to:
http://MuncyFamily.com

THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go
the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix
the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on
leaving us completely send a blank email to:
disklavier-unsubscribe@...

Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
disklavier-subscribe@...

To add to Jack's suggestion, Cakewalk Audio Pro, Sound Forge, or Syntrillium
Cool Edit Pro can be used to make the recordings.  The catch is that if you are
using a single computer as your MIDI sequencer and for recording, you may run
into problems of jitter in the MIDI sequence or clicks in the recorded audio as
the two programs run simultaneously and compete for computer resources under
Windows.  Using two machines would get around that.

Bob

Jack Schueler wrote:
> 
> If you are a Windows user, you shouldn't be too shocked.  Any
> application that can "record" like the Windows "Sound Recorder"
> applet can "convert" MIDI to WAV.
> 
> The only problem with Sound Recorder  (in Accessories/Multimedia)
> is that it limits recording to 60 seconds.  I have another recorder that
> doesn't limit me to the length of recording.
> 
> To convert MIDI to WAV, you just start the recording application
> recording and then start the MIDI player playing.
> 
> You might have to go to the Volume Master Out applet (the little
> Loudspeaker in the System Tray)  to set the recording
> properties (Options/Properties).
> 
> Jack
> 
> > Hello Tjako,
> >
> > I found the following program which DOES convert from MIDI to wav files:
> >
> > http://home.att.net/~audiocompositor/
> >
> > I was quite shocked that there was such a program.  Give it a try!
> >
> > A while back, someone asked how to convert from WAV to MIDI, and that seems
> > to be much more difficult, if not impossible.
> >
> > Let us know how the Audio Compositor works!
> >
> >Mark
> >
> > At 05:47 AM 10/16/2000, you wrote:
> > >I would like to know if it is possible to convert midi files from my
> > >disklavier to wav. files
> > >
> > >Who knows how to?
> > >
> > >regards,
> > >Tjako van Schie
> 
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@egroups.com
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://egroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> To visit Todd's family web site that contains some fun disklavier content among other things, go to:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> disklavier-unsubscribe@...
> 
> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> disklavier-subscribe@...

-- 
Robert Welcyng
Anchorage, Alaska

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----- Original Message -----
From: Tjako van Schie <tjakovanschie@...>
To: <disklavier@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Digest Number 66


> I would like to know if it is possible to convert midi files from my
> disklavier to wav. files
>
> Who knows how to?
>
> regards,
> Tjako van Schie
>
>
>
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
>
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and
moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@egroups.com
>
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://egroups.com/group/disklavier
>
> To visit Todd's family web site that contains some fun disklavier content
among other things, go to:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
>
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail,
go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That
will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you
insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:

> disklavier-unsubscribe@...
>
> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> disklavier-subscribe@...
>
>

not easily...and unless you're really savvy....don't bother....

-steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tjako van Schie [mailto:tjakovanschie@...]
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 6:47 AM
> To: disklavier@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Digest Number 66
> 
> 
> I would like to know if it is possible to convert midi files from my
> disklavier to wav. files
> 
> Who knows how to?
> 
> regards,
> Tjako van Schie
> 
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> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder 
> and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@egroups.com
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://egroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> To visit Todd's family web site that contains some fun 
> disklavier content among other things, go to:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting 
> too much mail, go the the web site and change your email 
> delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while 
> maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on 
> leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> disklavier-unsubscribe@...
> 
> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> disklavier-subscribe@...
> 
>

I think the answers given (save 1), while correct, do not address Tjako's
original question.  I believe he wants to convert a MIDI file directly into
WAV format, not do an analog recording through a MIDI device.

You will need some type of "software-based" synth.  Roland has one, Yamaha
has one, and I've seen references to others from time to time.  I don't know
if these can write a WAV file directly.  The link given to Audio Compositor
looks promising, and it does write WAV files directly.

The ultimate quality of your result will depend entirely on the quality of
the samples used.  However, Audio Compositor can read many popular sound
file formats, so I suppose it could produce something really good, or
something really bad.

It would be nice if Yamaha provided something similar using some of the
acoustic modelling techniques they have pioneered. (maybe they do??).

Also, the quality of your recording equipment does not matter since
everything is kept in the digital domain.

----- Original Message -----
From: <bunkypiano@...>
To: <disklavier@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Digest Number 66


> You must manually go through a sound module and take the output and
re-record

> to a drive of choice. I don't know of any other way.
> tom mc
>

You must manually go through a sound module and take the output and re-record 
to a drive of choice. I don't know of any other way.
tom mc

BTW, once you have recorded the "WAV" file, you can then
convert it to MP3 to reduce the size of the file.  I have done
this for friends who wanted MP3 versions of my MIDI files.

Jack Schueler