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Upgrading Disklaviers

2006-03-11 by Carol Beigel

I am a piano technician who fell in love with
electronic player pianos when they were first invented
in the early 1980's.  My first one was a Pianocorder
Vorsetzer that used 80 pinball machine solenoids and a
Marantz propriety cassette deck.  You could roll this
thing up to any piano, connect the pedal rods to the
top of of the pedals, and have digitized player piano
rolls on cassettes play your piano. Yamaha bought this
company and the Pianocorder became no more.  I still
have my Vorsetzer and the library of cassette tapes!

MIDI was invented in the early 80's, but every company
had their own version.  Yamaha's version was called
ESEQ and that was the software that ran the first
Disklaviers, the Wagon Grand and the MX100A/B. The
solenoid technology was better than the old pinball
machines, and laser beams broken by shutters were used
to measure hammer and key travel.

It wasn't until about 1986 that a standard was agreed
upon, and General MIDI came about.  Yamaha came out
with the MarkII that could play standard MIDI format 0
files as well as their own ESEQ stuff.

Then flash memory was invented.  This made software
upgradable by using a floppy disk instead of having to
replace a chip on the motherboard.  The MarkIIXG not
only could play standard MIDI files in format 0, but
format 1 as well.  The XG MIDI sounds were the next
generation of MIDI sounds as pioneered by Yamaha.  They
also had incremental pedaling.

Then "pulsating" solenoids were invented and they
appeared on the MarkIII.  Personally, I think one of
the greatest musical inventions of the 20th century was
the transposable audio that came with the MarkIII.  You
could play a CD with your piano and adjust the pitch of
someone singing!  The MarkIII could play MIDI 0 and 1,
plus digital audio, plus it STILL played the ESEQ files
that had been invented years earlier.  It's like having
Microsoft Office still supporting my Commodore 64 I
bought in 1985!  Also with the MarkIII came the piano
action special "jacks" that enable silent playing
without affecting the touch on your fingers.

With a DSR-1 control box and the DCD1  CD player
(hardware upgrades), you can upgrade any Disklavier to
most of the capabilities of the MarkIII.

Now we have the MarkIV that uses different solenoids
that were previously only available in the PRO models,
different operating system (Lynux), uses a PDA for a
remote controller, but it STILL plays the old ESEQ
floppy disks!  The recordings create twice as much data
as the older systems, so it has a hard drive instead of
a floppy disk.  It can also control the loudness and
softness of the piano playing better than any previous
models. Most of this is hardware, so you would have to
gut your Disklavier electronics and start from scratch
to upgrade to MarkIV electronics.  This is not going to
happen.

We have come a long way from pinball machine solenoids,
and only the Yamaha Disklavier will give you really
good quality recordings.  The QRS Patine system, and
the PianoDisc are now incorporating copy protection
systems that are a total pain to deal with.  How would
like to find out your old library of expensive music no
longer plays on the current product??  At least Yamaha
never did that to you!

Carol Beigel

Re: [disklavier] Upgrading Disklaviers

2006-03-11 by Garry Neil

Carol:

I had my Disklavier Mk IV operating system upgraded. 
Since then a lot of midi I downloaded and that played
fine are now no longer playing on the piano in coustic
mode - but only "electronically".  Have you heard of
this happening before?  Is there a fix?

--- Carol Beigel <thecarolb@...> wrote:

> I am a piano technician who fell in love with
> electronic player pianos when they were first
> invented
> in the early 1980's.  My first one was a Pianocorder
> Vorsetzer that used 80 pinball machine solenoids and
> a
> Marantz propriety cassette deck.  You could roll
> this
> thing up to any piano, connect the pedal rods to the
> top of of the pedals, and have digitized player
> piano
> rolls on cassettes play your piano. Yamaha bought
> this
> company and the Pianocorder became no more.  I still
> have my Vorsetzer and the library of cassette tapes!
> 
> MIDI was invented in the early 80's, but every
> company
> had their own version.  Yamaha's version was called
> ESEQ and that was the software that ran the first
> Disklaviers, the Wagon Grand and the MX100A/B. The
> solenoid technology was better than the old pinball
> machines, and laser beams broken by shutters were
> used
> to measure hammer and key travel.
> 
> It wasn't until about 1986 that a standard was
> agreed
> upon, and General MIDI came about.  Yamaha came out
> with the MarkII that could play standard MIDI format
> 0
> files as well as their own ESEQ stuff.
> 
> Then flash memory was invented.  This made software
> upgradable by using a floppy disk instead of having
> to
> replace a chip on the motherboard.  The MarkIIXG not
> only could play standard MIDI files in format 0, but
> format 1 as well.  The XG MIDI sounds were the next
> generation of MIDI sounds as pioneered by Yamaha. 
> They
> also had incremental pedaling.
> 
> Then "pulsating" solenoids were invented and they
> appeared on the MarkIII.  Personally, I think one of
> the greatest musical inventions of the 20th century
> was
> the transposable audio that came with the MarkIII. 
> You
> could play a CD with your piano and adjust the pitch
> of
> someone singing!  The MarkIII could play MIDI 0 and
> 1,
> plus digital audio, plus it STILL played the ESEQ
> files
> that had been invented years earlier.  It's like
> having
> Microsoft Office still supporting my Commodore 64 I
> bought in 1985!  Also with the MarkIII came the
> piano
> action special "jacks" that enable silent playing
> without affecting the touch on your fingers.
> 
> With a DSR-1 control box and the DCD1  CD player
> (hardware upgrades), you can upgrade any Disklavier
> to
> most of the capabilities of the MarkIII.
> 
> Now we have the MarkIV that uses different solenoids
> that were previously only available in the PRO
> models,
> different operating system (Lynux), uses a PDA for a
> remote controller, but it STILL plays the old ESEQ
> floppy disks!  The recordings create twice as much
> data
> as the older systems, so it has a hard drive instead
> of
> a floppy disk.  It can also control the loudness and
> softness of the piano playing better than any
> previous
> models. Most of this is hardware, so you would have
> to
> gut your Disklavier electronics and start from
> scratch
> to upgrade to MarkIV electronics.  This is not going
> to
> happen.
> 
> We have come a long way from pinball machine
> solenoids,
> and only the Yamaha Disklavier will give you really
> good quality recordings.  The QRS Patine system, and
> the PianoDisc are now incorporating copy protection
> systems that are a total pain to deal with.  How
> would
> like to find out your old library of expensive music
> no
> longer plays on the current product??  At least
> Yamaha
> never did that to you!
> 
> Carol Beigel
> 
> 
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:  
> disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's
> founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely updated
> 012/22/03.  It contains some fun disklavier content
> and links to midi sites among many other things, The
> url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com 
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are
> getting too much mail, go the the web site and
> change your email delivery option instead.  That
> will fix the problem, while maintaining your access
> to the group.  If you insist on leaving us
> completely send a blank email to:
> disklavier-unsubscribe@... 
> 
> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a
> blank email to:
> disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this
> link:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
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> 
>  
> 
> 
> 


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RE: [disklavier] Upgrading Disklaviers

2006-03-12 by Bob Roseman

Is there a good online source for 3.5" floppy music?  I don't often search
for music, but would like to expand my library.

Bob
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-----Original Message-----
From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Carol Beigel
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 10:57 PM
To: dug
Subject: [disklavier] Upgrading Disklaviers

I am a piano technician who fell in love with
electronic player pianos when they were first invented
in the early 1980's.  My first one was a Pianocorder
Vorsetzer that used 80 pinball machine solenoids and a
Marantz propriety cassette deck.  You could roll this
thing up to any piano, connect the pedal rods to the
top of of the pedals, and have digitized player piano
rolls on cassettes play your piano. Yamaha bought this
company and the Pianocorder became no more.  I still
have my Vorsetzer and the library of cassette tapes!

MIDI was invented in the early 80's, but every company
had their own version.  Yamaha's version was called
ESEQ and that was the software that ran the first
Disklaviers, the Wagon Grand and the MX100A/B. The
solenoid technology was better than the old pinball
machines, and laser beams broken by shutters were used
to measure hammer and key travel.

It wasn't until about 1986 that a standard was agreed
upon, and General MIDI came about.  Yamaha came out
with the MarkII that could play standard MIDI format 0
files as well as their own ESEQ stuff.

Then flash memory was invented.  This made software
upgradable by using a floppy disk instead of having to
replace a chip on the motherboard.  The MarkIIXG not
only could play standard MIDI files in format 0, but
format 1 as well.  The XG MIDI sounds were the next
generation of MIDI sounds as pioneered by Yamaha.  They
also had incremental pedaling.

Then "pulsating" solenoids were invented and they
appeared on the MarkIII.  Personally, I think one of
the greatest musical inventions of the 20th century was
the transposable audio that came with the MarkIII.  You
could play a CD with your piano and adjust the pitch of
someone singing!  The MarkIII could play MIDI 0 and 1,
plus digital audio, plus it STILL played the ESEQ files
that had been invented years earlier.  It's like having
Microsoft Office still supporting my Commodore 64 I
bought in 1985!  Also with the MarkIII came the piano
action special "jacks" that enable silent playing
without affecting the touch on your fingers.

With a DSR-1 control box and the DCD1  CD player
(hardware upgrades), you can upgrade any Disklavier to
most of the capabilities of the MarkIII.

Now we have the MarkIV that uses different solenoids
that were previously only available in the PRO models,
different operating system (Lynux), uses a PDA for a
remote controller, but it STILL plays the old ESEQ
floppy disks!  The recordings create twice as much data
as the older systems, so it has a hard drive instead of
a floppy disk.  It can also control the loudness and
softness of the piano playing better than any previous
models. Most of this is hardware, so you would have to
gut your Disklavier electronics and start from scratch
to upgrade to MarkIV electronics.  This is not going to
happen.

We have come a long way from pinball machine solenoids,
and only the Yamaha Disklavier will give you really
good quality recordings.  The QRS Patine system, and
the PianoDisc are now incorporating copy protection
systems that are a total pain to deal with.  How would
like to find out your old library of expensive music no
longer plays on the current product??  At least Yamaha
never did that to you!

Carol Beigel



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send it to:
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Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03.  It contains some
fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other things, The
url is:
http://MuncyFamily.com 

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Re: [disklavier] Upgrading Disklaviers

2006-03-13 by Dr. Hugh Glenn

Call Yahama Tech Support: (800) 854-1569. I have found the techs very helpful in solving  a variety of problems.
 
 HG
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----- Original Message ----
From: Garry Neil <ulcerdoc@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:09:29 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Upgrading Disklaviers

    Carol:
 
 I had my Disklavier Mk IV operating system upgraded. 
 Since then a lot of midi I downloaded and that played
 fine are now no longer playing on the piano in coustic
 mode - but only "electronically".  Have you heard of
 this happening before?  Is there a fix?
 
 --- Carol Beigel <thecarolb@...> wrote:
 
 > I am a piano technician who fell in love with
 > electronic player pianos when they were first
 > invented
 > in the early 1980's.  My first one was a Pianocorder
 > Vorsetzer that used 80 pinball machine solenoids and
 > a
 > Marantz propriety cassette deck.  You could roll
 > this
 > thing up to any piano, connect the pedal rods to the
 > top of of the pedals, and have digitized player
 > piano
 > rolls on cassettes play your piano. Yamaha bought
 > this
 > company and the Pianocorder became no more.  I still
 > have my Vorsetzer and the library of cassette tapes!
 > 
 > MIDI was invented in the early 80's, but every
 > company
 > had their own version.  Yamaha's version was called
 > ESEQ and that was the software that ran the first
 > Disklaviers, the Wagon Grand and the MX100A/B. The
 > solenoid technology was better than the old pinball
 > machines, and laser beams broken by shutters were
 > used
 > to measure hammer and key travel.
 > 
 > It wasn't until about 1986 that a standard was
 > agreed
 > upon, and General MIDI came about.  Yamaha came out
 > with the MarkII that could play standard MIDI format
 > 0
 > files as well as their own ESEQ stuff.
 > 
 > Then flash memory was invented.  This made software
 > upgradable by using a floppy disk instead of having
 > to
 > replace a chip on the motherboard.  The MarkIIXG not
 > only could play standard MIDI files in format 0, but
 > format 1 as well.  The XG MIDI sounds were the next
 > generation of MIDI sounds as pioneered by Yamaha. 
 > They
 > also had incremental pedaling.
 > 
 > Then "pulsating" solenoids were invented and they
 > appeared on the MarkIII.  Personally, I think one of
 > the greatest musical inventions of the 20th century
 > was
 > the transposable audio that came with the MarkIII. 
 > You
 > could play a CD with your piano and adjust the pitch
 > of
 > someone singing!  The MarkIII could play MIDI 0 and
 > 1,
 > plus digital audio, plus it STILL played the ESEQ
 > files
 > that had been invented years earlier.  It's like
 > having
 > Microsoft Office still supporting my Commodore 64 I
 > bought in 1985!  Also with the MarkIII came the
 > piano
 > action special "jacks" that enable silent playing
 > without affecting the touch on your fingers.
 > 
 > With a DSR-1 control box and the DCD1  CD player
 > (hardware upgrades), you can upgrade any Disklavier
 > to
 > most of the capabilities of the MarkIII.
 > 
 > Now we have the MarkIV that uses different solenoids
 > that were previously only available in the PRO
 > models,
 > different operating system (Lynux), uses a PDA for a
 > remote controller, but it STILL plays the old ESEQ
 > floppy disks!  The recordings create twice as much
 > data
 > as the older systems, so it has a hard drive instead
 > of
 > a floppy disk.  It can also control the loudness and
 > softness of the piano playing better than any
 > previous
 > models. Most of this is hardware, so you would have
 > to
 > gut your Disklavier electronics and start from
 > scratch
 > to upgrade to MarkIV electronics.  This is not going
 > to
 > happen.
 > 
 > We have come a long way from pinball machine
 > solenoids,
 > and only the Yamaha Disklavier will give you really
 > good quality recordings.  The QRS Patine system, and
 > the PianoDisc are now incorporating copy protection
 > systems that are a total pain to deal with.  How
 > would
 > like to find out your old library of expensive music
 > no
 > longer plays on the current product??  At least
 > Yamaha
 > never did that to you!
 > 
 > Carol Beigel
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > To Post a message to the group, send it to:  
 > disklavier@...
 > 
 > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's
 > founder and moderator, send it to:
 > disklavier-owner@...
 > 
 > To reach our group's web site go to:
 > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
 > 
 > Todd's family web site was completely updated
 > 012/22/03.  It contains some fun disklavier content
 > and links to midi sites among many other things, The
 > url is:
 > http://MuncyFamily.com 
 > 
 > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
 > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are
 > getting too much mail, go the the web site and
 > change your email delivery option instead.  That
 > will fix the problem, while maintaining your access
 > to the group.  If you insist on leaving us
 > completely send a blank email to:
 > disklavier-unsubscribe@... 
 > 
 > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a
 > blank email to:
 > disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this
 > link:
 > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join 
 >  
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 > 
 > 
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 > 
 >  
 > 
 > 
 > 
 
 
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Re: [disklavier] Upgrading Disklaviers

2006-03-13 by Garry Neil

Thanks.  I will.

--- "Dr. Hugh Glenn" <drglennis@...> wrote:

> Call Yahama Tech Support: (800) 854-1569. I have
> found the techs very helpful in solving  a variety
> of problems.
>  
>  HG
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Garry Neil <ulcerdoc@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:09:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Upgrading Disklaviers
> 
>     Carol:
>  
>  I had my Disklavier Mk IV operating system
> upgraded. 
>  Since then a lot of midi I downloaded and that
> played
>  fine are now no longer playing on the piano in
> coustic
>  mode - but only "electronically".  Have you heard
> of
>  this happening before?  Is there a fix?
>  
>  --- Carol Beigel <thecarolb@...> wrote:
>  
>  > I am a piano technician who fell in love with
>  > electronic player pianos when they were first
>  > invented
>  > in the early 1980's.  My first one was a
> Pianocorder
>  > Vorsetzer that used 80 pinball machine solenoids
> and
>  > a
>  > Marantz propriety cassette deck.  You could roll
>  > this
>  > thing up to any piano, connect the pedal rods to
> the
>  > top of of the pedals, and have digitized player
>  > piano
>  > rolls on cassettes play your piano. Yamaha bought
>  > this
>  > company and the Pianocorder became no more.  I
> still
>  > have my Vorsetzer and the library of cassette
> tapes!
>  > 
>  > MIDI was invented in the early 80's, but every
>  > company
>  > had their own version.  Yamaha's version was
> called
>  > ESEQ and that was the software that ran the first
>  > Disklaviers, the Wagon Grand and the MX100A/B.
> The
>  > solenoid technology was better than the old
> pinball
>  > machines, and laser beams broken by shutters were
>  > used
>  > to measure hammer and key travel.
>  > 
>  > It wasn't until about 1986 that a standard was
>  > agreed
>  > upon, and General MIDI came about.  Yamaha came
> out
>  > with the MarkII that could play standard MIDI
> format
>  > 0
>  > files as well as their own ESEQ stuff.
>  > 
>  > Then flash memory was invented.  This made
> software
>  > upgradable by using a floppy disk instead of
> having
>  > to
>  > replace a chip on the motherboard.  The MarkIIXG
> not
>  > only could play standard MIDI files in format 0,
> but
>  > format 1 as well.  The XG MIDI sounds were the
> next
>  > generation of MIDI sounds as pioneered by Yamaha.
> 
>  > They
>  > also had incremental pedaling.
>  > 
>  > Then "pulsating" solenoids were invented and they
>  > appeared on the MarkIII.  Personally, I think one
> of
>  > the greatest musical inventions of the 20th
> century
>  > was
>  > the transposable audio that came with the
> MarkIII. 
>  > You
>  > could play a CD with your piano and adjust the
> pitch
>  > of
>  > someone singing!  The MarkIII could play MIDI 0
> and
>  > 1,
>  > plus digital audio, plus it STILL played the ESEQ
>  > files
>  > that had been invented years earlier.  It's like
>  > having
>  > Microsoft Office still supporting my Commodore 64
> I
>  > bought in 1985!  Also with the MarkIII came the
>  > piano
>  > action special "jacks" that enable silent playing
>  > without affecting the touch on your fingers.
>  > 
>  > With a DSR-1 control box and the DCD1  CD player
>  > (hardware upgrades), you can upgrade any
> Disklavier
>  > to
>  > most of the capabilities of the MarkIII.
>  > 
>  > Now we have the MarkIV that uses different
> solenoids
>  > that were previously only available in the PRO
>  > models,
>  > different operating system (Lynux), uses a PDA
> for a
>  > remote controller, but it STILL plays the old
> ESEQ
>  > floppy disks!  The recordings create twice as
> much
>  > data
>  > as the older systems, so it has a hard drive
> instead
>  > of
>  > a floppy disk.  It can also control the loudness
> and
>  > softness of the piano playing better than any
>  > previous
>  > models. Most of this is hardware, so you would
> have
>  > to
>  > gut your Disklavier electronics and start from
>  > scratch
>  > to upgrade to MarkIV electronics.  This is not
> going
>  > to
>  > happen.
>  > 
>  > We have come a long way from pinball machine
>  > solenoids,
>  > and only the Yamaha Disklavier will give you
> really
>  > good quality recordings.  The QRS Patine system,
> and
>  > the PianoDisc are now incorporating copy
> protection
>  > systems that are a total pain to deal with.  How
>  > would
>  > like to find out your old library of expensive
> music
>  > no
>  > longer plays on the current product??  At least
>  > Yamaha
>  > never did that to you!
>  > 
>  > Carol Beigel
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > To Post a message to the group, send it to:  
>  > disklavier@...
>  > 
>  > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the
> group's
>  > founder and moderator, send it to:
>  > disklavier-owner@...
>  > 
>  > To reach our group's web site go to:
>  > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
>  > 
>  > Todd's family web site was completely updated
>  > 012/22/03.  It contains some fun disklavier
> content
>  > and links to midi sites among many other things,
> The
>  > url is:
>  > http://MuncyFamily.com 
>  > 
>  > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
>  > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you
> are
>  > getting too much mail, go the the web site and
>  > change your email delivery option instead.  That
>  > will fix the problem, while maintaining your
> access
>  > to the group.  If you insist on leaving us
>  > completely send a blank email to:
>  > disklavier-unsubscribe@... 
>  > 
>  > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a
>  > blank email to:
>  > disklavier-subscribe@... or give them
> this
>  > link:
> 
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Re: [disklavier] Upgrading Disklaviers

2006-03-13 by Garry Neil

Thanks.  I will.

--- "Dr. Hugh Glenn" <drglennis@...> wrote:

> Call Yahama Tech Support: (800) 854-1569. I have
> found the techs very helpful in solving  a variety
> of problems.
>  
>  HG
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Garry Neil <ulcerdoc@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:09:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Upgrading Disklaviers
> 
>     Carol:
>  
>  I had my Disklavier Mk IV operating system
> upgraded. 
>  Since then a lot of midi I downloaded and that
> played
>  fine are now no longer playing on the piano in
> coustic
>  mode - but only "electronically".  Have you heard
> of
>  this happening before?  Is there a fix?
>  
>  --- Carol Beigel <thecarolb@...> wrote:
>  
>  > I am a piano technician who fell in love with
>  > electronic player pianos when they were first
>  > invented
>  > in the early 1980's.  My first one was a
> Pianocorder
>  > Vorsetzer that used 80 pinball machine solenoids
> and
>  > a
>  > Marantz propriety cassette deck.  You could roll
>  > this
>  > thing up to any piano, connect the pedal rods to
> the
>  > top of of the pedals, and have digitized player
>  > piano
>  > rolls on cassettes play your piano. Yamaha bought
>  > this
>  > company and the Pianocorder became no more.  I
> still
>  > have my Vorsetzer and the library of cassette
> tapes!
>  > 
>  > MIDI was invented in the early 80's, but every
>  > company
>  > had their own version.  Yamaha's version was
> called
>  > ESEQ and that was the software that ran the first
>  > Disklaviers, the Wagon Grand and the MX100A/B.
> The
>  > solenoid technology was better than the old
> pinball
>  > machines, and laser beams broken by shutters were
>  > used
>  > to measure hammer and key travel.
>  > 
>  > It wasn't until about 1986 that a standard was
>  > agreed
>  > upon, and General MIDI came about.  Yamaha came
> out
>  > with the MarkII that could play standard MIDI
> format
>  > 0
>  > files as well as their own ESEQ stuff.
>  > 
>  > Then flash memory was invented.  This made
> software
>  > upgradable by using a floppy disk instead of
> having
>  > to
>  > replace a chip on the motherboard.  The MarkIIXG
> not
>  > only could play standard MIDI files in format 0,
> but
>  > format 1 as well.  The XG MIDI sounds were the
> next
>  > generation of MIDI sounds as pioneered by Yamaha.
> 
>  > They
>  > also had incremental pedaling.
>  > 
>  > Then "pulsating" solenoids were invented and they
>  > appeared on the MarkIII.  Personally, I think one
> of
>  > the greatest musical inventions of the 20th
> century
>  > was
>  > the transposable audio that came with the
> MarkIII. 
>  > You
>  > could play a CD with your piano and adjust the
> pitch
>  > of
>  > someone singing!  The MarkIII could play MIDI 0
> and
>  > 1,
>  > plus digital audio, plus it STILL played the ESEQ
>  > files
>  > that had been invented years earlier.  It's like
>  > having
>  > Microsoft Office still supporting my Commodore 64
> I
>  > bought in 1985!  Also with the MarkIII came the
>  > piano
>  > action special "jacks" that enable silent playing
>  > without affecting the touch on your fingers.
>  > 
>  > With a DSR-1 control box and the DCD1  CD player
>  > (hardware upgrades), you can upgrade any
> Disklavier
>  > to
>  > most of the capabilities of the MarkIII.
>  > 
>  > Now we have the MarkIV that uses different
> solenoids
>  > that were previously only available in the PRO
>  > models,
>  > different operating system (Lynux), uses a PDA
> for a
>  > remote controller, but it STILL plays the old
> ESEQ
>  > floppy disks!  The recordings create twice as
> much
>  > data
>  > as the older systems, so it has a hard drive
> instead
>  > of
>  > a floppy disk.  It can also control the loudness
> and
>  > softness of the piano playing better than any
>  > previous
>  > models. Most of this is hardware, so you would
> have
>  > to
>  > gut your Disklavier electronics and start from
>  > scratch
>  > to upgrade to MarkIV electronics.  This is not
> going
>  > to
>  > happen.
>  > 
>  > We have come a long way from pinball machine
>  > solenoids,
>  > and only the Yamaha Disklavier will give you
> really
>  > good quality recordings.  The QRS Patine system,
> and
>  > the PianoDisc are now incorporating copy
> protection
>  > systems that are a total pain to deal with.  How
>  > would
>  > like to find out your old library of expensive
> music
>  > no
>  > longer plays on the current product??  At least
>  > Yamaha
>  > never did that to you!
>  > 
>  > Carol Beigel
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > To Post a message to the group, send it to:  
>  > disklavier@...
>  > 
>  > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the
> group's
>  > founder and moderator, send it to:
>  > disklavier-owner@...
>  > 
>  > To reach our group's web site go to:
>  > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
>  > 
>  > Todd's family web site was completely updated
>  > 012/22/03.  It contains some fun disklavier
> content
>  > and links to midi sites among many other things,
> The
>  > url is:
>  > http://MuncyFamily.com 
>  > 
>  > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
>  > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you
> are
>  > getting too much mail, go the the web site and
>  > change your email delivery option instead.  That
>  > will fix the problem, while maintaining your
> access
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>  > 
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Re: [disklavier] Upgrading Disklaviers

2006-03-13 by Carol Beigel

I am not as familiar with the MarkIV as the other
models, but I would suggest a few things as these
suggestions resolved this same problem on previous
models:

1) consult your owner's manual to make sure the Keys
are set to "On"
2) Yamaha calls MIDI files Import Files, so check the
owner's manual for that section
3) Piano keys are played by whatever information is on
MIDI Channels 1 and 2, so make sure the piano part is
set accordingly
4) consult your owner's manual and do a system reset
4) call Yamaha tech support

Carol



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garry Neil" <ulcerdoc@...>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Upgrading Disklaviers


> Carol:
>
> I had my Disklavier Mk IV operating system upgraded.
> Since then a lot of midi I downloaded and that played
> fine are now no longer playing on the piano in
coustic
> mode - but only "electronically".  Have you heard of
> this happening before?  Is there a fix?
>
> --- Carol Beigel <thecarolb@...> wrote:
>
> > I am a piano technician who fell in love with
> > electronic player pianos when they were first
> > invented
> > in the early 1980's.  My first one was a
Pianocorder
> > Vorsetzer that used 80 pinball machine solenoids
and
> > a
> > Marantz propriety cassette deck.  You could roll
> > this
> > thing up to any piano, connect the pedal rods to
the
> > top of of the pedals, and have digitized player
> > piano
> > rolls on cassettes play your piano. Yamaha bought
> > this
> > company and the Pianocorder became no more.  I
still
> > have my Vorsetzer and the library of cassette
tapes!
> >
> > MIDI was invented in the early 80's, but every
> > company
> > had their own version.  Yamaha's version was called
> > ESEQ and that was the software that ran the first
> > Disklaviers, the Wagon Grand and the MX100A/B. The
> > solenoid technology was better than the old pinball
> > machines, and laser beams broken by shutters were
> > used
> > to measure hammer and key travel.
> >
> > It wasn't until about 1986 that a standard was
> > agreed
> > upon, and General MIDI came about.  Yamaha came out
> > with the MarkII that could play standard MIDI
format
> > 0
> > files as well as their own ESEQ stuff.
> >
> > Then flash memory was invented.  This made software
> > upgradable by using a floppy disk instead of having
> > to
> > replace a chip on the motherboard.  The MarkIIXG
not
> > only could play standard MIDI files in format 0,
but
> > format 1 as well.  The XG MIDI sounds were the next
> > generation of MIDI sounds as pioneered by Yamaha.
> > They
> > also had incremental pedaling.
> >
> > Then "pulsating" solenoids were invented and they
> > appeared on the MarkIII.  Personally, I think one
of
> > the greatest musical inventions of the 20th century
> > was
> > the transposable audio that came with the MarkIII.
> > You
> > could play a CD with your piano and adjust the
pitch
> > of
> > someone singing!  The MarkIII could play MIDI 0 and
> > 1,
> > plus digital audio, plus it STILL played the ESEQ
> > files
> > that had been invented years earlier.  It's like
> > having
> > Microsoft Office still supporting my Commodore 64 I
> > bought in 1985!  Also with the MarkIII came the
> > piano
> > action special "jacks" that enable silent playing
> > without affecting the touch on your fingers.
> >
> > With a DSR-1 control box and the DCD1  CD player
> > (hardware upgrades), you can upgrade any Disklavier
> > to
> > most of the capabilities of the MarkIII.
> >
> > Now we have the MarkIV that uses different
solenoids
> > that were previously only available in the PRO
> > models,
> > different operating system (Lynux), uses a PDA for
a
> > remote controller, but it STILL plays the old ESEQ
> > floppy disks!  The recordings create twice as much
> > data
> > as the older systems, so it has a hard drive
instead
> > of
> > a floppy disk.  It can also control the loudness
and
> > softness of the piano playing better than any
> > previous
> > models. Most of this is hardware, so you would have
> > to
> > gut your Disklavier electronics and start from
> > scratch
> > to upgrade to MarkIV electronics.  This is not
going
> > to
> > happen.
> >
> > We have come a long way from pinball machine
> > solenoids,
> > and only the Yamaha Disklavier will give you really
> > good quality recordings.  The QRS Patine system,
and
> > the PianoDisc are now incorporating copy protection
> > systems that are a total pain to deal with.  How
> > would
> > like to find out your old library of expensive
music
> > no
> > longer plays on the current product??  At least
> > Yamaha
> > never did that to you!
> >
> > Carol Beigel
> >
> >
> >
> > To Post a message to the group, send it to:
> > disklavier@...
> >
> > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the
group's
> > founder and moderator, send it to:
> > disklavier-owner@...
> >
> > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> >
> > Todd's family web site was completely updated
> > 012/22/03.  It contains some fun disklavier content
> > and links to midi sites among many other things,
The
> > url is:
> > http://MuncyFamily.com
> >
> > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are
> > getting too much mail, go the the web site and
> > change your email delivery option instead.  That
> > will fix the problem, while maintaining your access
> > to the group.  If you insist on leaving us
> > completely send a blank email to:
> > disklavier-unsubscribe@...
> >
> > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a
> > blank email to:
> > disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this
> > link:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >     disklavier-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [disklavier] Upgrading Disklaviers

2006-03-13 by George F. Litterst

Good evening, everyone.

The Disklavier is actually flexible regarding which tracks of an  
"Import File" are played by the piano. You can set the Left and Right  
piano parts to be any track from 1-16, PRG, or PRG (all) as the  
default. For most import files, setting L=PRG and R=PRG is what you  
want to do.

Regards,
PianoBench

"changing the tempo in music software"
www.timewarptech.com
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On Mar 12, 2006, at 10:56 PM, Carol Beigel wrote:

> I am not as familiar with the MarkIV as the other
> models, but I would suggest a few things as these
> suggestions resolved this same problem on previous
> models:
>
> 1) consult your owner's manual to make sure the Keys
> are set to "On"
> 2) Yamaha calls MIDI files Import Files, so check the
> owner's manual for that section
> 3) Piano keys are played by whatever information is on
> MIDI Channels 1 and 2, so make sure the piano part is
> set accordingly
> 4) consult your owner's manual and do a system reset
> 4) call Yamaha tech support
>
> Carol
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Garry Neil" <ulcerdoc@...>
> To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 6:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Upgrading Disklaviers
>
>
>> Carol:
>>
>> I had my Disklavier Mk IV operating system upgraded.
>> Since then a lot of midi I downloaded and that played
>> fine are now no longer playing on the piano in
> coustic
>> mode - but only "electronically".  Have you heard of
>> this happening before?  Is there a fix?
>>
>> --- Carol Beigel <thecarolb@...> wrote:
>>
>>> I am a piano technician who fell in love with
>>> electronic player pianos when they were first
>>> invented
>>> in the early 1980's.  My first one was a
> Pianocorder
>>> Vorsetzer that used 80 pinball machine solenoids
> and
>>> a
>>> Marantz propriety cassette deck.  You could roll
>>> this
>>> thing up to any piano, connect the pedal rods to
> the
>>> top of of the pedals, and have digitized player
>>> piano
>>> rolls on cassettes play your piano. Yamaha bought
>>> this
>>> company and the Pianocorder became no more.  I
> still
>>> have my Vorsetzer and the library of cassette
> tapes!
>>>
>>> MIDI was invented in the early 80's, but every
>>> company
>>> had their own version.  Yamaha's version was called
>>> ESEQ and that was the software that ran the first
>>> Disklaviers, the Wagon Grand and the MX100A/B. The
>>> solenoid technology was better than the old pinball
>>> machines, and laser beams broken by shutters were
>>> used
>>> to measure hammer and key travel.
>>>
>>> It wasn't until about 1986 that a standard was
>>> agreed
>>> upon, and General MIDI came about.  Yamaha came out
>>> with the MarkII that could play standard MIDI
> format
>>> 0
>>> files as well as their own ESEQ stuff.
>>>
>>> Then flash memory was invented.  This made software
>>> upgradable by using a floppy disk instead of having
>>> to
>>> replace a chip on the motherboard.  The MarkIIXG
> not
>>> only could play standard MIDI files in format 0,
> but
>>> format 1 as well.  The XG MIDI sounds were the next
>>> generation of MIDI sounds as pioneered by Yamaha.
>>> They
>>> also had incremental pedaling.
>>>
>>> Then "pulsating" solenoids were invented and they
>>> appeared on the MarkIII.  Personally, I think one
> of
>>> the greatest musical inventions of the 20th century
>>> was
>>> the transposable audio that came with the MarkIII.
>>> You
>>> could play a CD with your piano and adjust the
> pitch
>>> of
>>> someone singing!  The MarkIII could play MIDI 0 and
>>> 1,
>>> plus digital audio, plus it STILL played the ESEQ
>>> files
>>> that had been invented years earlier.  It's like
>>> having
>>> Microsoft Office still supporting my Commodore 64 I
>>> bought in 1985!  Also with the MarkIII came the
>>> piano
>>> action special "jacks" that enable silent playing
>>> without affecting the touch on your fingers.
>>>
>>> With a DSR-1 control box and the DCD1  CD player
>>> (hardware upgrades), you can upgrade any Disklavier
>>> to
>>> most of the capabilities of the MarkIII.
>>>
>>> Now we have the MarkIV that uses different
> solenoids
>>> that were previously only available in the PRO
>>> models,
>>> different operating system (Lynux), uses a PDA for
> a
>>> remote controller, but it STILL plays the old ESEQ
>>> floppy disks!  The recordings create twice as much
>>> data
>>> as the older systems, so it has a hard drive
> instead
>>> of
>>> a floppy disk.  It can also control the loudness
> and
>>> softness of the piano playing better than any
>>> previous
>>> models. Most of this is hardware, so you would have
>>> to
>>> gut your Disklavier electronics and start from
>>> scratch
>>> to upgrade to MarkIV electronics.  This is not
> going
>>> to
>>> happen.
>>>
>>> We have come a long way from pinball machine
>>> solenoids,
>>> and only the Yamaha Disklavier will give you really
>>> good quality recordings.  The QRS Patine system,
> and
>>> the PianoDisc are now incorporating copy protection
>>> systems that are a total pain to deal with.  How
>>> would
>>> like to find out your old library of expensive
> music
>>> no
>>> longer plays on the current product??  At least
>>> Yamaha
>>> never did that to you!
>>>
>>> Carol Beigel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To Post a message to the group, send it to:
>>> disklavier@...
>>>
>>> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the
> group's
>>> founder and moderator, send it to:
>>> disklavier-owner@...
>>>
>>> To reach our group's web site go to:
>>> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
>>>
>>> Todd's family web site was completely updated
>>> 012/22/03.  It contains some fun disklavier content
>>> and links to midi sites among many other things,
> The
>>> url is:
>>> http://MuncyFamily.com
>>>
>>> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
>>> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are
>>> getting too much mail, go the the web site and
>>> change your email delivery option instead.  That
>>> will fix the problem, while maintaining your access
>>> to the group.  If you insist on leaving us
>>> completely send a blank email to:
>>> disklavier-unsubscribe@...
>>>
>>> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a
>>> blank email to:
>>> disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this
>>> link:
>>> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>     disklavier-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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> founder and moderator, send it to:
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>> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
>>
>> Todd's family web site was completely updated
> 012/22/03.  It contains some fun disklavier content and
> links to midi sites among many other things, The url
> is:
>> http://MuncyFamily.com
>>
>> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
>> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are
> getting too much mail, go the the web site and change
> your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the
> problem, while maintaining your access to the group.
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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> moderator, send it to:
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> To reach our group's web site go to:
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>
> Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03.  It  
> contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among  
> many other things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
>
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