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Re: [disklavier] Digest Number 1236

2006-04-25 by eyeonyou85

Special treated wood for US.  HA HA HA.  Ok, let's apply a little science
here.  Just where in the US is this Yamaha wood "specially" treated for?
Arizona or Florida?  Average humidity in Arizona during spring and summer is
11-30% while florida is 60 - 90% while the entire country of Japan may
experience a range of 60 - 75%
http://d-training.aots.or.jp/orientation/info.html .  Hmmmm...  So specially
seasoning a piano for ALL of the AMERICAN market is absurd.  They would have
to know IN ADVANCE OF BUILDING THE PIANO just WHERE in America this piano is
going to, Arizona or Florida, which they don't.  Sorry Yamaha, you will have
to do better than that.

They do their best to keep the Japanese used pianos (those deadly grey
market pianos that bite your fingers off when you are not looking) :) out of
the new piano sales competition with such myths.  I laugh at such stupidty,
then call my supplier for yet a great deal on Japanese used pianos for 1/3
of the cost of the showroom BS.  Imported a beautiful walnut DC5 that was
practically new for $15000 last year for one of my students.
eyeonyou
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Subject: [disklavier] Digest Number 1236


There are 3 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. DU1A Upright disklavier
           From: "LLawrence" <law67@...>
      2. Re: DU1A Upright disklavier
           From: Robert Welcyng <rwelcyng@...>
      3. Re: DU1A Upright disklavier
           From: David Fran <dffran@...>


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Message: 1
   Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:53:07 -0000
   From: "LLawrence" <law67@...>
Subject: DU1A Upright disklavier

I'm interested in getting DU1A upright disklavier mark III from local
dealer, Pennsylvania. Sticker price is $13,000. Two years ago I
traveled to Japan and took some yamaha piano brochures in Tokyo. This
model is sold for $9,300 in Japan, sticker price, (after conversion
from Yen to USD). Let's assume the piano is supposed to be more
expensive in the US because the wood has special treatment for US
climate. How much is the reasonable price of DU1A? THanks.

LL






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Message: 2
   Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:05:00 -0800
   From: Robert Welcyng <rwelcyng@...>
Subject: Re: DU1A Upright disklavier

You have the advantage over some buyers in that you know exactly what
you want.  I suggest you consider negotiating with a number of Yamaha
dealers, including your local dealer, and perhaps even some
out-of-state. Let them know that you have been shopping around and that
they will need to sharpen their pencils. Make several rounds of bid
requests and each time let them know the amount of your best offer.

The Yamaha web site will list dealers for you if you can input ZIP codes
near them.

Be aware that independent Yamaha-trained piano techs often do the setup,
tuning and maintenance for Yamaha piano dealers.  Those techs are
supported by Yamaha and can obtain parts and do warranty work should
that ever be necessary. Be assured that a distant dealer can be just as
willing to provide after sales support as a local dealer. Also realize
that dealers come and go, but it is Yamaha who will honor your warranty.
In other words, you ought not to feel compelled to restrict your
inquiries to your local dealer only.

Neither is shipping pianos around the country a big deal.  All of your
local dealer's stock was shipped from somewhere.

To answer your question, a reasonable price is the lowest that you can
bargain for and one that is agreeable to you. Economics--business and
marketing--has much more to do with the final price than does the cost
of treating wood for pianos in North America.

LLawrence wrote:

>I'm interested in getting DU1A upright disklavier mark III from local
>dealer, Pennsylvania. Sticker price is $13,000. Two years ago I
>traveled to Japan and took some yamaha piano brochures in Tokyo. This
>model is sold for $9,300 in Japan, sticker price, (after conversion
>from Yen to USD). Let's assume the piano is supposed to be more
>expensive in the US because the wood has special treatment for US
>climate. How much is the reasonable price of DU1A? THanks.
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Message: 3
   Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:30:53 -0700 (PDT)
   From: David Fran <dffran@...>
Subject: Re: DU1A Upright disklavier

I have the yamaha baby grand piano 5'3" DGC1A. We bought ours for 11,000
plus traded our 10 year old Yamaha upright U1. We are very pleased with our
new disklavier. We have had it for over a year now. Sorry don't know how
much a DU1A price would be but good luck on your purchase. You might want to
scroll in the database section to see how much people spent for their
disklavier. Dave

LLawrence <law67@...> wrote:  I'm interested in getting DU1A upright
disklavier mark III from local
dealer, Pennsylvania. Sticker price is $13,000. Two years ago I
traveled to Japan and took some yamaha piano brochures in Tokyo. This
model is sold for $9,300 in Japan, sticker price, (after conversion
from Yen to USD). Let's assume the piano is supposed to be more
expensive in the US because the wood has special treatment for US
climate. How much is the reasonable price of DU1A? THanks.

LL






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Re: [disklavier] Digest Number 1236

2006-04-25 by George F. Litterst

Good evening, everyone.

My understanding on the moisture issue is the following:

--Yamaha starting importing pianos into the US in the 1960s and  
learned the hard way that the wood must be dried to a lower moisture  
content in order to withstand our central heating and our air  
conditioning.

--The issue is not what the average moisture is outdoors; the issue  
is how dry the air gets indoors as a result of either central heating  
or air conditioning. Of course, there is no absolute consistency from  
one house to another across the USA. However, we do have a measurable  
tendency to dry out our indoor air.

--Extra drying of the wood results in higher cost.

--Yamaha could, theoretically, dry the wood of all pianos to the same  
low moisture content and therefore increase the cost of all pianos  
sold all over the world. Instead, Yamaha dries the wood to 3  
different levels and markets the pianos accordingly to three defined  
areas of the world.

Regards,
PianoBench
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On Apr 24, 2006, at 9:34 PM, eyeonyou85 wrote:

> Special treated wood for US.  HA HA HA.  Ok, let's apply a little  
> science
> here.  Just where in the US is this Yamaha wood "specially" treated  
> for?
> Arizona or Florida?  Average humidity in Arizona during spring and  
> summer is
> 11-30% while florida is 60 - 90% while the entire country of Japan may
> experience a range of 60 - 75%
> http://d-training.aots.or.jp/orientation/info.html .  Hmmmm...  So  
> specially
> seasoning a piano for ALL of the AMERICAN market is absurd.  They  
> would have
> to know IN ADVANCE OF BUILDING THE PIANO just WHERE in America this  
> piano is
> going to, Arizona or Florida, which they don't.  Sorry Yamaha, you  
> will have
> to do better than that.
>
> They do their best to keep the Japanese used pianos (those deadly grey
> market pianos that bite your fingers off when you are not  
> looking) :) out of
> the new piano sales competition with such myths.  I laugh at such  
> stupidty,
> then call my supplier for yet a great deal on Japanese used pianos  
> for 1/3
> of the cost of the showroom BS.  Imported a beautiful walnut DC5  
> that was
> practically new for $15000 last year for one of my students.
> eyeonyou

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