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----- Original Message -----
From: "jheitzeb1" <jheitzeb1@...>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 6:03 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Mark IV and Streaming Radio
with Macintosh


The pdf document did not come over as an attachment.

Am interested in this information.  I just subscribed
to the Disklavier Radio and am VERY
pleased with it.  The Jazz channel is outstanding.  I
am using a Macintosh portable hooked
via ethernet cable to my Mark IV while putting the Mac
in "share internet" mode via
ethernet.  I would like to do this wirelessly.  I will
probably buy the airport express
hardware as suggested in this thread, but am waiting
for the newer revision.

thanks,
Joan


--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Larry Michel
<drmichel@...> wrote:
>
> Attached is pdf document showing how I installed a
wireless access point to my Mark IV.
I already had a wireless network in my home so this was
all that was necessary.  It's tucked
up under the piano and can't be seen.
>
> Larry
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: JORGE FERNANDEZ <jorgefedez@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2007 2:26:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Mark IV and Streaming Radio
with Macintosh
>
> Congratulations Joan!
> If this worked wired, then it should work wirelessly
> From the network point of view:
> You will need to convert the Ethernet from wired to
wireless.
> This conversion is done by many devices in the market
> I am not familiar with the Buffalo hardware, but it
seems this is his job; in this case it is
not the only choice.
> I do not have a mark IV to test myself, but I
understand that the wireless connection on
the DKV is dedicated to a specific device and cannot be
used for the standard Ethernet, so
you need the extra wire (RJ45) connection for this
task.
> Since you are using you PC and have access to the
internet I assume you already have
the wireless access point and all other devices needed
> Any good IT pro can help you on this (maybe yourself
is the one) since is computer, not
piano related.
>
>
> 2007/6/7, jheitzeb1 <jheitzeb1@yahoo. com>:
> I tried out the ethernet cable from my Mac Portable
to Disklavier Mark IV directly and set
> my Macintosh to "share internet" under system
preferences "sharing". I was able to
> successfully play my disklavier from the
complementary streaming piano radio station. It
> has been going all afternoon. It is great!
>
> I will have to consider the buffalo hardware to do
this wirelessly as I don't won't to
dedicate
> this portable Mac strictly to my Disklavier at this
time (however, it is a good excuse to
buy
> another Mac ... ). I might even consider the
subscription service it is THAT GOOD.
>
> Gene, you info very interesting as well. But again, a
dedicated device under or near the
piano
> is needed and I would prefer a wireless solution.
>
> Joan
>
>
>
>
>
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On Jun 11, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Carol Beigel wrote:

> It is my understanding that internet is only available
> on the Mark IV through the ethernet port.  There is no
> way to install any drivers for wireless hardware on the
> Mark IV.  Therefore, I do not understand how that
> wireless router will work.  A wireless router is
> connected to your internet connection - like the modem
> that plugs into the telephone jack for DSL or or the
> modem that plugs into your cable connection.  That
> modem is then connected to a wireless router.  The
> computers that see that wireless router usually have a
> PCMCIA wireless card or USB antenna or bridge.  For a
> wireless connection to work on the Mark IV, it would
> need an antenna and a driver to run it.
>
> Even if you hung a wireless router to the bottom of the
> piano, it still needs to connect to a high speed modem
> through either a coax cable or ethernet cable.   A
> wireless router is a transmitter not a receiver.
> Whether you have a Mac or a PC, you still need to use
> an ethernet cable plugged into the Mark IV which has a
> Lynux OS.
>
> Perhaps you are trying to network whereby the wireless
> router is connected to the Mark IV via ethernet cable
> and your personal laptop or other computer is
> wirelessly connected to that same router.  Supposedly
> you might be able to see the Mark IV on this network,
> but I doubt you would have any control over it.
>
> If I am wrong, please enlighten me.
>
> Carol Beigel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jheitzeb1" <jheitzeb1@...>
> To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 6:03 PM
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: Mark IV and Streaming Radio
> with Macintosh
>
>
> The pdf document did not come over as an attachment.
>
> Am interested in this information.  I just subscribed
> to the Disklavier Radio and am VERY
> pleased with it.  The Jazz channel is outstanding.  I
> am using a Macintosh portable hooked
> via ethernet cable to my Mark IV while putting the Mac
> in "share internet" mode via
> ethernet.  I would like to do this wirelessly.  I will
> probably buy the airport express
> hardware as suggested in this thread, but am waiting
> for the newer revision.
>
> thanks,
> Joan

On 6/12/07 10:06 AM, "Matthew Walworth" <mwalworth@...> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> The Airport Express device is a wireless access point with an
> ethernet port and audio outputs (which are irrelevant here, of
> course). It is possible to set it up so that a device (a computer or
> in this case the Disklavier) can be plugged into the ethernet port
> and thereby gain access to a wireless network. In this mode it acts
> as both an access point (redistributing the wireless network signal
> from a primary router via something called WDS) and a bridge to the
> wired device.
> 
> There are probably cheaper ways to do this (Apple is rarely the
> cheapest option), but it should be a workable solution.
> 
> ...matthew...
> 
> On Jun 11, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Carol Beigel wrote:
> 
>> > It is my understanding that internet is only available
>> > on the Mark IV through the ethernet port.  There is no
>> > way to install any drivers for wireless hardware on the
>> > Mark IV.  Therefore, I do not understand how that
>> > wireless router will work.  A wireless router is
>> > connected to your internet connection - like the modem
>> > that plugs into the telephone jack for DSL or or the
>> > modem that plugs into your cable connection.  That
>> > modem is then connected to a wireless router.  The
>> > computers that see that wireless router usually have a
>> > PCMCIA wireless card or USB antenna or bridge.  For a
>> > wireless connection to work on the Mark IV, it would
>> > need an antenna and a driver to run it.
>> >
>> > Even if you hung a wireless router to the bottom of the
>> > piano, it still needs to connect to a high speed modem
>> > through either a coax cable or ethernet cable.   A
>> > wireless router is a transmitter not a receiver.
>> > Whether you have a Mac or a PC, you still need to use
>> > an ethernet cable plugged into the Mark IV which has a
>> > Lynux OS.
>> >
>> > Perhaps you are trying to network whereby the wireless
>> > router is connected to the Mark IV via ethernet cable
>> > and your personal laptop or other computer is
>> > wirelessly connected to that same router.  Supposedly
>> > you might be able to see the Mark IV on this network,
>> > but I doubt you would have any control over it.
>> >
>> > If I am wrong, please enlighten me.
>> >
>> > Carol Beigel
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "jheitzeb1" <jheitzeb1@... <mailto:jheitzeb1%40yahoo.com> >
>> > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> >
>> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 6:03 PM
>> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Mark IV and Streaming Radio
>> > with Macintosh
>> >
>> >
>> > The pdf document did not come over as an attachment.
>> >
>> > Am interested in this information.  I just subscribed
>> > to the Disklavier Radio and am VERY
>> > pleased with it.  The Jazz channel is outstanding.  I
>> > am using a Macintosh portable hooked
>> > via ethernet cable to my Mark IV while putting the Mac
>> > in "share internet" mode via
>> > ethernet.  I would like to do this wirelessly.  I will
>> > probably buy the airport express
>> > hardware as suggested in this thread, but am waiting
>> > for the newer revision.
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> > Joan
> 
>  
>

>
> The Airport Express device is a wireless access point with an  
> ethernet port and audio outputs (which are irrelevant here, of  
> course). It is possible to set it up so that a device (a computer or  
> in this case the Disklavier) can be plugged into the ethernet port  
> and thereby gain access to a wireless network. In this mode it acts  
> as both an access point (redistributing the wireless network signal  
> from a primary router via something called WDS) and a bridge to the  
> wired device.
> 
> There are probably cheaper ways to do this (Apple is rarely the  
> cheapest option), but it should be a workable solution.
> 
> ...matthew...
> 
> On Jun 11, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Carol Beigel wrote:
> 
> > It is my understanding that internet is only available
> > on the Mark IV through the ethernet port.  There is no
> > way to install any drivers for wireless hardware on the
> > Mark IV.  Therefore, I do not understand how that
> > wireless router will work.  A wireless router is
> > connected to your internet connection - like the modem
> > that plugs into the telephone jack for DSL or or the
> > modem that plugs into your cable connection.  That
> > modem is then connected to a wireless router.  The
> > computers that see that wireless router usually have a
> > PCMCIA wireless card or USB antenna or bridge.  For a
> > wireless connection to work on the Mark IV, it would
> > need an antenna and a driver to run it.
> >
> > Even if you hung a wireless router to the bottom of the
> > piano, it still needs to connect to a high speed modem
> > through either a coax cable or ethernet cable.   A
> > wireless router is a transmitter not a receiver.
> > Whether you have a Mac or a PC, you still need to use
> > an ethernet cable plugged into the Mark IV which has a
> > Lynux OS.
> >
> > Perhaps you are trying to network whereby the wireless
> > router is connected to the Mark IV via ethernet cable
> > and your personal laptop or other computer is
> > wirelessly connected to that same router.  Supposedly
> > you might be able to see the Mark IV on this network,
> > but I doubt you would have any control over it.
> >
> > If I am wrong, please enlighten me.
> >
> > Carol Beigel
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jheitzeb1" <jheitzeb1@...>
> > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 6:03 PM
> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Mark IV and Streaming Radio
> > with Macintosh
> >
> >
> > The pdf document did not come over as an attachment.
> >
> > Am interested in this information.  I just subscribed
> > to the Disklavier Radio and am VERY
> > pleased with it.  The Jazz channel is outstanding.  I
> > am using a Macintosh portable hooked
> > via ethernet cable to my Mark IV while putting the Mac
> > in "share internet" mode via
> > ethernet.  I would like to do this wirelessly.  I will
> > probably buy the airport express
> > hardware as suggested in this thread, but am waiting
> > for the newer revision.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Joan
>

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Carl Youngblood
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:59 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Mark IV and wireless connections

 

Carol: "It is my understanding that internet is only available
on the Mark IV through the ethernet port. There is no
way to install any drivers for wireless hardware on the
Mark IV."

It's important to go into a little bit more detail about networking in order
to understand what is going on.  "Router" is a generic term used to describe
a device that takes other network devices and "routes" their data packets to
their intended destinations, usually to and from another network, like the
Internet.  Many routers also connect to or function as cable and/or DSL
modems, but the modem functionality is not the defining feature of a router,
so your assumption that a router by definition hooks to a cable or DSL modem
is wrong. 

Some routers only connect to ethernet devices, and some also connect to wifi
devices.  Wifi devices generally operate in two basic modes.  Either they
serve as a central coordinator that accepts requests from other devices
(called an "access point") or they connect to an access point, in which case
they are operating in "client" mode. 

More recent routers have the ability both to behave as an access point and a
client to another access point, in which case they can serve as a bridge
between other wifi devices and another access point that is connected to the
Internet.  This functionality is called WDS (wireless distribution system)
and is only available in wifi versions 802.11g or higher.

The wifi in the Mark IV is an 802.11b system--one of the first kinds to be
available, and therefore doesn't support WDS, so it can only behave as an
access point or a client but not both.  It is already behaving as an access
point for the Mark IV's palmtop remote controller, so it can't serve any
other purpose than that.  Your statement that there is no way to install
wireless drivers for the Mark IV is therefore misleading--the drivers are
already loaded and working, but the wifi device is serving another function
and can't be used for anything else. 

Because the Mark IV's built-in wifi is already being used as an access point
(AP) for the controller, the only available network device in the Mark IV is
the ethernet port.  That is why they are saying that you "can't use the wifi
in the Mark IV to access the Internet."  It's because it's already being
using for something else. 

Carol: "Therefore, I do not understand how that
wireless router will work. A wireless router is
connected to your internet connection - like the modem
that plugs into the telephone jack for DSL or or the
modem that plugs into your cable connection. That
modem is then connected to a wireless router. The
computers that see that wireless router usually have a
PCMCIA wireless card or USB antenna or bridge. For a
wireless connection to work on the Mark IV, it would
need an antenna and a driver to run it."

Now we get to the other part of the problem.  The confusion you are
experiencing is because you are misunderstanding the suggestions of some
others on this list.  They are not suggesting that you would plug another
PCMCIA or USB wifi device into the Mark IV. 

The wifi device inside routers is just like the kind in a PCMCIA wifi card,
and can be used as either a client or an access point.  Many routers out
today can be configured to run as a client and share (bridge) their client
connection with their other four ethernet ports.  So, if you have a wifi
router in your house that is serving as an access point to the other
computers on your network, and your Mark IV is too far away to be plugged
into it, then you can get a second wifi router, set it up in client mode,
and hook one of its ethernet ports to your Mark IV so that it connects your
Mark IV wirelessly to your access point. 

This is what I do.  I got a buffalo router, set it up for client bridging
mode, and attached it with velcro tape to the bottom of my piano.  I then
hooked its ethernet port to the Mark IV's ethernet port and I can connect to
Disklavier Radio. 

So, that router does not, as you say, need to connect to a DSL or cable
modem.  If you understand the big picture of networking, you will see that
you can literally have hundreds of devices in your home connected to a
single network over a variety of wired and unwired mediums, all behind a
single firewall connected to a single internet connection.  There is no need
to have more than one Internet connection to your house, because if you set
it up right, everything can connect through that one connection. 

Best wishes,
Carl