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----- Original Message -----

From: wandamusic@...

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 3:28 PM

Subject: [disklavier] upgrade path

I was told the same thing - in fact I had been looking at used, but
they convinced me it was worth it to buy a mark III so I could get all
the upgrades that they would be doing.

I am near Philadelphia, PA.

Are they saying this everywhere, or do we just have a few dishonest
salesmen.....or is there really plans to allow us to upgrade at some
point? OR is Yamaha telling them to tell us that, but with no plans for
an update?

I will be payng off this piano for years - no way can I a fford to
upgrade.

Blessings,
Wanda

>
> I was told that long ago...and I have an XGII model...which someone 
> asked about the other day and said that the update for my model is no 
> longer available from yamaha.  No one has responded to that email 
> asking about how to obtain the upgrade...does anyone know how to get 
> such an upgrade (I think it lets the piano play the audio CD versions 
> but does not do anything else that the Mark III does...and I assume 
> that you can't upgrade the Mark II beyond the Mark III level....but 
> I'm not sure about that.  Why would someone want to buy a Mark II that 
> can't be upgraded when there are Mark IVs out there? 
>  
> And since I really enjoy the disklavier for the piano parts of the 
> music, does it make sense to upgrade (if i could) to the audio CD 
> version?  I don't want to hear Barry Manilow or anyone else singing 
> while the piano is playing--although instrumental accompaniment alone 
> might be worthwhile as opposed to the MIDI fake instrumental feature.
>  
> thanks for any help.
>  
> John
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* wandamusic@... <mailto:wandamusic@...>
>     *To:* disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2008 3:28 PM
>     *Subject:* [disklavier] upgrade path
>
>     I was told the same thing - in fact I had been looking at used, but
>     they convinced me it was worth it to buy a mark III so I could get
>     all
>     the upgrades that they would be doing.
>
>     I am near Philadelphia, PA.
>
>     Are they saying this everywhere, or do we just have a few dishonest
>     salesmen.....or is there really plans to allow us to upgrade at some
>     point? OR is Yamaha telling them to tell us that, but with no
>     plans for
>     an update?
>
>     I will be payng off this piano for years - no way can I a fford to
>     upgrade.
>
>     Blessings,
>     Wanda
>
>

> an update?
> 
> I will be payng off this piano for years - no way can I a fford to 
> upgrade.
> 
> 
> Blessings,
> Wanda
>

The only upgrades ever released for Disklaviers themselves, which added extra functionality, were a memory upgrade kit for theMark 3 (?), and a Smart key update. All other software updates were only intended to remove software bugs. In addition to this, Yamaha released the DSR1 and the DCD1 to give owners the option of using newer software with extra features. Due to the nature of any hybrid piano preceding the Mark IV, they were limited by the fact that they were hardware based, i.e. the mechanics and electronics were designed specifically for their purpose. This means that there is very limited scope for implementing additional functions. The Mark IV is software based, which means that it is easy to implement new features and functions. Try to think of them as computers. A ZX81 was fun when it came out but you'd never get it to do photo editing. A basic PC (or MAC) (which is what the Mark IV is) can be adapted to your requirements for any purpose by adding a new software package - which is how the Mark IV works. For any pre-Mark IV Disklavier owners who want added features, my advice would be to get a UX16 MIDI-USB adapter and a laptop (esp. since the DSR1 and DCD1 are discontinued products). This might present a bit of a learning curve, but it will give you (almost) everything a Mark IV can do, plus a few extra features. The only thing you can't recreate is the accuracy of the recording/playback of a Mark IV, but then again, many people wouldn't really appreciate the difference anyway.

athomik

On Apr 11 2008, sjhart110110 wrote:

>I think they were saying it based upon previous experience with older
>models. Yamaha seem to always come out with some type of upgrade
>device to add features. They seem to stop this practice with the
>Mark IV. SJ
>
>
>--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, wandamusic@... wrote:
>>
>> I was told the same thing - in fact I had been looking at used, but
>> they convinced me it was worth it to buy a mark III so I could get
>all
>> the upgrades that they would be doing.
>>
>> I am near Philadelphia, PA.
>>
>> Are they saying this everywhere, or do we just have a few dishonest
>> salesmen.....or is there really plans to allow us to upgrade at
>some
>> point? OR is Yamaha telling them to tell us that, but with no plans
>for
>> an update?
>>
>> I will be payng off this piano for years - no way can I a fford to
>> upgrade.
>>
>>
>> Blessings,
>> Wanda
>>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: p g

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 5:28 AM

Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: upgrade path

I agree.

I got myself a laptop off ebay, with the GNmidi software (I also got cubase but I do not use it as it is too sophisticated for my purpose), a USB/midi adaptor, as well as a Roland JV2080 sound module connected to the midi out port from the piano.

It is quite cool to have the orchestra coming out of my speakers, with the piano playing its part, although some of the sounds are a bit "electronic" sounding (especially violins). I'm looking for an orchestral expansion card to hopefully remedy that.

The next step is to understand how to get normal CDs to work with the piano like they do with the Mk3, and which software to use.

The total cost is nowhere near as much as the DSR1 and DCD1 (which you can't find anyway!).

Pascal

athomik wrote:

The only upgrades ever released for Disklaviers themselves, which added extra functionality, were a memory upgrade kit for theMark 3 (?), and a Smart key update. All other software updates were only intended to remove software bugs. In addition to this, Yamaha released the DSR1 and the DCD1 to give owners the option of using newer software with extra features. Due to the nature of any hybrid piano preceding the Mark IV, they were limited by the fact that they were hardware based, i.e. the mechanics and electronics were designed specifically for their purpose. This means that there is very limited scope for implementing additional functions. The Mark IV is software based, which means that it is easy to implement new features and functions. Try to think of them as computers. A ZX81 was fun when it came out but you'd never get it to do photo editing. A basic PC (or MAC) (which is what the Mark IV is) can be adapted to your requirements for any purpose by adding a new software package - which is how the Mark IV works. For any pre-Mark IV Disklavier owners who want added features, my advice would be to get a UX16 MIDI-USB adapter and a laptop (esp. since the DSR1 and DCD1 are discontinued products). This might present a bit of a learning curve, but it will give you (almost) everything a Mark IV can do, plus a few extra features. The only thing you can't recreate is the accuracy of the recording/playback of a Mark IV, but then again, many people wouldn't really appreciate the difference anyway.

athomik

On Apr 11 2008, sjhart110110 wrote:

>I think they were saying it based upon previous experience with older
>models. Yamaha seem to always come out with some type of upgrade
>device to add features. They seem to stop this practice with the
>Mark IV. SJ
>
>
>--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, wandamusic@... wrote:
>>
>> I was told the same thing - in fact I had been looking at used, but
>> they convinced me it was worth it to buy a mark III so I could get
>all
>> the upgrades that they would be doing.
>>
>> I am near Philadelphia, PA.
>>
>> Are they saying this everywhere, or do we just have a few dishonest
>> salesmen.....or is there really plans to allow us to upgrade at
>some
>> point? OR is Yamaha telling them to tell us that, but with no plans
>for
>> an update?
>>
>> I will be payng off this piano for years - no way can I a fford to
>> upgrade.
>>
>>
>> Blessings,
>> Wanda
>>
>
>
>
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I agree that purchasing a laptop PC and connecting it via a MIDI interface will give you many features of the MarkIV, i.e. a hard drive and playlists. It may also be able, in the future as in the past, to connect to online Disklavier music.

I remember the very old days when Yamaha had a Global Jukebox and the old Disklaviers could play over an internet connection. Perhaps they may bring something like that back.

I also remember life before the DCD1 CD player. I have a MarkIIXG system, and I purchased from QRS for $300 an analog to MIDI converter box that connected to my DKV. I used a Sony Walkman CD player to play the CDs. However, I do not think this would give you the PianoSmart capabilities.

Perhaps reminding folks that the one thing the DKV has always done an outstanding job, better than their competition ever dreamed of, was the Record feature. AND you get to hear piano music playing back on a well designed system on a nice Yamaha piano. I have a lot of experience with other systems, QRS and PianoDisc installed on other brand pianos, and I can without a doubt say that any Yamaha Disklavier, no matter how old, works and sound the best. Just try getting service or upgrades on the other systems!

To me, I think the MarkIII with the built-in CD player, floppy disk, Silent system, transposable audio and the 16 memory disks is the ultimate Disklavier system. The whole scenario of fancy attachments to pianos reminds me of the old circus wagons - some are player pianos with mandolin attachments, and violins, trumpets and tubas all playing in the bottom of the pianos. The fascination with mechanical players goes way back, and it was amazing what could be done with just air power.

I do look forward to the future to see how far we can go electronically. It's just amazing what software will do!

Carol Beigel

----- Original Message -----

From: p g

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 5:28 AM

Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: upgrade path

I agree.

I got myself a laptop off ebay, with the GNmidi software (I also got cubase but I do not use it as it is too sophisticated for my purpose), a USB/midi adaptor, as well as a Roland JV2080 sound module connected to the midi out port from the piano.

It is quite cool to have the orchestra coming out of my speakers, with the piano playing its part, although some of the sounds are a bit "electronic" sounding (especially violins). I'm looking for an orchestral expansion card to hopefully remedy that.

The next step is to understand how to get normal CDs to work with the piano like they do with the Mk3, and which software to use.

The total cost is nowhere near as much as the DSR1 and DCD1 (which you can't find anyway!).

Pascal

athomik co.uk> wrote:

The only upgrades ever released for Disklaviers themselves, which added extra functionality, were a memory upgrade kit for theMark 3 (?), and a Smart key update. All other software updates were only intended to remove software bugs. In addition to this, Yamaha released the DSR1 and the DCD1 to give owners the option of using newer software with extra features. Due to the nature of any hybrid piano preceding the Mark IV, they were limited by the fact that they were hardware based, i.e. the mechanics and electronics were designed specifically for their purpose. This means that there is very limited scope for implementing additional functions. The Mark IV is software based, which means that it is easy to implement new features and functions. Try to think of them as computers. A ZX81 was fun when it came out but you'd never get it to do photo editing. A basic PC (or MAC) (which is what the Mark IV is) can be adapted to your requirements for any purpose by adding a new software package - which is how the Mark IV works. For any pre-Mark IV Disklavier owners who want added features, my advice would be to get a UX16 MIDI-USB adapter and a laptop (esp. since the DSR1 and DCD1 are discontinued products). This might present a bit of a learning curve, but it will give you (almost) everything a Mark IV can do, plus a few extra features. The only thing you can't recreate is the accuracy of the recording/playback of a Mark IV, but then again, many people wouldn't really appreciate the difference anyway.

athomik

On Apr 11 2008, sjhart110110 wrote:

>I think they were saying it based upon previous experience with older
>models. Yamaha seem to always come out with some type of upgrade
>device to add features. They seem to stop this practice with the
>Mark IV. SJ
>
>
>--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, wandamusic@... wrote:
>>
>> I was told the same thing - in fact I had been looking at used, but
>> they convinced me it was worth it to buy a mark III so I could get
>all
>> the upgrades that they would be doing.
>>
>> I am near Philadelphia, PA.
>>
>> Are they saying this everywhere, or do we just have a few dishonest
>> salesmen.....or is there really plans to allow us to upgrade at
>some
>> point? OR is Yamaha telling them to tell us that, but with no plans
>for
>> an update?
>>
>> I will be payng off this piano for years - no way can I a fford to
>> upgrade.
>>
>>
>> Blessings,
>> Wanda
>>
>
>
>
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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of George F. Litterst
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 7:02 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: upgrade path

 

Good morning, everyone.

 

On Apr 11, 2008, at 4:05 AM, athomik wrote:



The only upgrades ever released for Disklaviers themselves, which added
extra functionality, were a memory upgrade kit for theMark 3 (?), and a
Smart key update. All other software updates were only intended to remove
software bugs.

 

Actually, there have been a number of feature enhancements over the years,
including the addition of MIDI Time Code (which makes video-sync recording
possible) to Disklaviers whose control units had enough additional memory
and support for Type 0 Standard MIDI files in the Mark II.

 

Regards,

PianoBench

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Aaron Zornes

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 1:11 PM

Subject: RE: [disklavier] Re: upgrade path

Our Mark III already has 16MB memory. Is there an upgrade kit that goes beyond that?

A quick web search only found this upgrade snippet:

NAMM 2000: The Disklavier's 1.44MB memory chip is now upgradeable to 16MB.

Thanks!

--Aaron

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George F. Litterst
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 7:02 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: upgrade path

Good morning, everyone.

On Apr 11, 2008, at 4:05 AM, athomik wrote:

The only upgrades ever released for Disklaviers themselves, which added extra functionality, were a memory upgrade kit for theMark 3 (?), and a Smart key update. All other software updates were only intended to remove software bugs.

Actually, there have been a number of feature enhancements over the years, including the addition of MIDI Time Code (which makes video-sync recording possible) to Disklaviers whose control units had enough additional memory and support for Type 0 Standard MIDI files in the Mark II.

Regards,

PianoBench

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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Carol Beigel
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:54 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: upgrade path

 

If you have a MarkIII, you have enough memory to run anything.  To use
PianoSmart, you need to install the free software on the Yamaha website for
your model DKV.  I think the lastest is v4.47 or 4.48.  Anything over v4.45
will do for a MarkIII.

 

Here is how I think PianoSmart works with regular CDs.  There is a beginning
mark on each song on any CD.  The floppy disk you buy from Yamaha to play in
your Disklavier along with the CD probably has a MIDI time code or something
that marks the beginning of each song.  That is why you must use a specific
CD.  When you put the CD in the player, and the floppy disk in the floppy
drive, they synchronize so they play together.

 

Didn't Spencer or Mark Fontana write a software program that will work on a
PC that does this?  I believe you can make your own CDs with the MIDI
embedded that you can play off a laptop and not even need a DCD1.  If so,
then you have almost all the capabilities of the MarkIV!

 

The other totally cool thing that PianoSmart does on a MarkIII, but not on
an upgrade from an earlier Disklavier, is transposable audio.  I hear this
most on my Fiddler on the Roof Pianosmart CD/floppy set.  These people on
the original soundtrack are not singing in tune to A440.  Therefore their
voices are not matched to my MarkIIXG tuned to A440.  However, on a MarkIII,
it will read that their pitch is different, and automatically adjust the
voices and orchestra to A440.

 

May we all be gratefull we have Disklaviers, and not.....

 

Carol Beigel

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Aaron Zornes <mailto:azornes@...>  

To: disklavier@yahoogro <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> ups.com 

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 1:11 PM

Subject: RE: [disklavier] Re: upgrade path

 

Our Mark III already has 16MB memory.  Is there an upgrade kit that goes
beyond that?

 

A quick web search only found this upgrade snippet:

 

NAMM 2000: The Disklavier's 1.44MB memory chip is now upgradeable to 16MB.

 

Thanks!

 

--Aaron


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From:  <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> disklavier@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George F. Litterst
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 7:02 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: upgrade path

 

Good morning, everyone.

 

On Apr 11, 2008, at 4:05 AM, athomik wrote:




The only upgrades ever released for Disklaviers themselves, which added
extra functionality, were a memory upgrade kit for theMark 3 (?), and a
Smart key update. All other software updates were only intended to remove
software bugs.

 

Actually, there have been a number of feature enhancements over the years,
including the addition of MIDI Time Code (which makes video-sync recording
possible) to Disklaviers whose control units had enough additional memory
and support for Type 0 Standard MIDI files in the Mark II.

 

Regards,

PianoBench

 

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From: Aaron Zornes

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 11:22 PM

Subject: RE: [disklavier] Re: upgrade path

Actually, I am out of memory at 16MB and was hoping we could get into the hundreds of MBs!

We have a huge collection of MIDIs, Yamaha and others.

We like having some of our most common collections (copied from multiple FDs, etc.) in groups as Pop, Quiet Dinner, Children’s, Dinner, etc.

Thanks for the info!

--Aaron in SF

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Beigel
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:54 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: upgrade path

If you have a MarkIII, you have enough memory to run anything. To use PianoSmart, you need to install the free software on the Yamaha website for your model DKV. I think the lastest is v4.47 or 4.48. Anything over v4.45 will do for a MarkIII.

Here is how I think PianoSmart works with regular CDs. There is a beginning mark on each song on any CD. The floppy disk you buy from Yamaha to play in your Disklavier along with the CD probably has a MIDI time code or something that marks the beginning of each song. That is why you must use a specific CD. When you put the CD in the player, and the floppy disk in the floppy drive, they synchronize so they play together.

Didn't Spencer or Mark Fontana write a software program that will work on a PC that does this? I believe you can make your own CDs with the MIDI embedded that you can play off a laptop and not even need a DCD1. If so, then you have almost all the capabilities of the MarkIV!

The other totally cool thing that PianoSmart does on a MarkIII, but not on an upgrade from an earlier Disklavier, is transposable audio. I hear this most on my Fiddler on the Roof Pianosmart CD/floppy set. These people on the original soundtrack are not singing in tune to A440. Therefore their voices are not matched to my MarkIIXG tuned to A440. However, on a MarkIII, it will read that their pitch is different, and automatically adjust the voices and orchestra to A440.

May we all be gratefull we have Disklaviers, and not.....

Carol Beigel

----- Original Message -----

From: Aaron Zornes

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 1:11 PM

Subject: RE: [disklavier] Re: upgrade path

Our Mark III already has 16MB memory. Is there an upgrade kit that goes beyond that?

A quick web search only found this upgrade snippet:

NAMM 2000: The Disklavier's 1.44MB memory chip is now upgradeable to 16MB.

Thanks!

--Aaron

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George F. Litterst
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 7:02 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: upgrade path

Good morning, everyone.

On Apr 11, 2008, at 4:05 AM, athomik wrote:

The only upgrades ever released for Disklaviers themselves, which added extra functionality, were a memory upgrade kit for theMark 3 (?), and a Smart key update. All other software updates were only intended to remove software bugs.

Actually, there have been a number of feature enhancements over the years, including the addition of MIDI Time Code (which makes video-sync recording possible) to Disklaviers whose control units had enough additional memory and support for Type 0 Standard MIDI files in the Mark II.

Regards,

PianoBench

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On Apr 13, 2008, at 3:43 AM, dirk veldhorst wrote:
> Delay In (500mS) =ON
> I thought this would buffer MIDI data and give the DKV mechanism  
> time to get things right.
>
>  Do I understand correctly that it should be OFF and have the  
> software in the laptop (or master) deal with this?
> Kind regards
>
> Dirk
>

On Apr 13, 2008, at 1:23 AM, Spencer_Lists wrote:

> Greetings George,
>
> There is no reason that the DKV can not play with correct timing no  
> matter what the source if it is MIDI. MIDI contains precise timing  
> information. It can be buffered by the playing device and the events  
> can be played at the correct time. I have no idea if the DKV does  
> this or not and if it does it differently from internal memory or a  
> MIDI connection. It is pretty stupid if it doesn't buffer the events  
> from all sources. I know that the Stahnke LX system does and believe  
> that (at least the earlier models) PD does not. There is also a  
> limit to polyphony so this can also be an issue with some music.
>
> Does anyone know what the various DKV models do?

>
> Actually, you could do this with a laptop connected to your DKV and 
> use playlist software, which is cheap or free. What you are out of is 
> storage space, not memory to run the software that actually plays the 
> DKV. I highly recommend the Yamaha USB MIDI interface because it is 
> small and comes with the MIDI cables already attached. You could even 
> use one of those external disk drives to store your music files. I 
> think mine cost about $100 and it has 500 gig storage.
> Now I am not that good in math so there may be errors, but my 
> calculations are as follows: say an average song is 100 kb, then that 
> equals 10 songs per mg. That is 10,000 songs per GB, or 5 million 
> songs on a 500 GB external drive. That is roughly 20 million minutes 
> of music or 333,333 hours, or 13,888 days or about 38 years of 
> continuous music. I doubt I would live long enough to hear that library!
> Carol Beigel
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Aaron Zornes <mailto:azornes@...>
>     *To:* disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>     *Sent:* Friday, April 11, 2008 11:22 PM
>     *Subject:* RE: [disklavier] Re: upgrade path
>
>     Actually, I am out of memory at 16MB and was hoping we could get
>     into the hundreds of MBs!
>
>     We have a huge collection of MIDIs, Yamaha and others.
>
>     We like having some of our most common collections (copied from
>     multiple FDs, etc.) in groups as Pop, Quiet Dinner, Children\ufffds,
>     Dinner, etc.
>
>     Thanks for the info!
>
>     --Aaron in SF
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     *From:* disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>     [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Carol Beigel
>     *Sent:* Friday, April 11, 2008 12:54 PM
>     *To:* disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>     *Subject:* Re: [disklavier] Re: upgrade path
>
>     If you have a MarkIII, you have enough memory to run anything. To
>     use PianoSmart, you need to install the free software on the
>     Yamaha website for your model DKV. I think the lastest is v4.47 or
>     4.48. Anything over v4.45 will do for a MarkIII.
>
>     Here is how I think PianoSmart works with regular CDs. There is a
>     beginning mark on each song on any CD. The floppy disk you buy
>     from Yamaha to play in your Disklavier along with the CD probably
>     has a MIDI time code or something that marks the beginning of each
>     song. That is why you must use a specific CD. When you put the CD
>     in the player, and the floppy disk in the floppy drive, they
>     synchronize so they play together.
>
>     Didn't Spencer or Mark Fontana write a software program that will
>     work on a PC that does this? I believe you can make your own CDs
>     with the MIDI embedded that you can play off a laptop and not even
>     need a DCD1. If so, then you have almost all the capabilities of
>     the MarkIV!
>
>     The other totally cool thing that PianoSmart does on a MarkIII,
>     but not on an upgrade from an earlier Disklavier, is transposable
>     audio. I hear this most on my Fiddler on the Roof Pianosmart
>     CD/floppy set. These people on the original soundtrack are not
>     singing in tune to A440. Therefore their voices are not matched to
>     my MarkIIXG tuned to A440. However, on a MarkIII, it will read
>     that their pitch is different, and automatically adjust the voices
>     and orchestra to A440.
>
>     May we all be gratefull we have Disklaviers, and not.....
>
>     Carol Beigel
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>
>         *From:* Aaron Zornes <mailto:azornes@...>
>
>         *To:* disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>         <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>
>         *Sent:* Friday, April 11, 2008 1:11 PM
>
>         *Subject:* RE: [disklavier] Re: upgrade path
>
>         Our Mark III already has 16MB memory. Is there an upgrade kit
>         that goes beyond that?
>
>         A quick web search only found this upgrade snippet:
>
>         /NAMM 2000: The Disklavier's 1.44MB memory chip is now
>         upgradeable to 16MB./
>
>         Thanks!
>
>         --Aaron
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>         *From:* disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>         <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>         [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *George F.
>         Litterst
>         *Sent:* Friday, April 11, 2008 7:02 AM
>         *To:* disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>         *Subject:* Re: [disklavier] Re: upgrade path
>
>         Good morning, everyone.
>
>         On Apr 11, 2008, at 4:05 AM, athomik wrote:
>
>
>         The only upgrades ever released for Disklaviers themselves,
>         which added extra functionality, were a memory upgrade kit for
>         theMark 3 (?), and a Smart key update. All other software
>         updates were only intended to remove software bugs.
>
>         Actually, there have been a number of feature enhancements
>         over the years, including the addition of MIDI Time Code
>         (which makes video-sync recording possible) to Disklaviers
>         whose control units had enough additional memory and support
>         for Type 0 Standard MIDI files in the Mark II.
>
>         Regards,
>
>         PianoBench
>
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>

Here's a link to the file and how it came about: http://www.zenph.com/oscar-peterson-march-2007.html

This is not representative of our best-quality files, since we did not have an absolute reference, that is, an actual audio recording, to work with. So, this is not a re-performance, unlike the awesome Tatum re-performances we played for him. There are spots in Tenderly that still are a little bit "not human" -- for example, the chords strike all the notes simultaneoulsy (that is,in MIDI, they're all at the same tick), which we've learned no human pianist can do. When you look at how real pianists strike piano chords in microscopic enough detail, you see the note strikes are at different times and with different touches -- yes, chords are voiced!

At any rate, we did a good job with what we had. And, since Oscar heard and approved of it last year, we decided to post exactly what he had heard. As we get more resources, we hope to work with Mark Fontana (who we think has the best representation of the original data), and make this whole set of Peterson performances into a high-res, nuanced musical treat.

Thanks - John Q. Walker
Zenph Studios
http://www.zenph.com

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If you have a MarkIII, you have enough memory to run anything. To use PianoSmart, you need to install the free software on the Yamaha website for your model DKV. I think the lastest is v4.47 or 4.48. Anything over v4.45 will do for a MarkIII.

Here is how I think PianoSmart works with regular CDs. There is a beginning mark on each song on any CD. The floppy disk you buy from Yamaha to play in your Disklavier along with the CD probably has a MIDI time code or something that marks the beginning of each song. That is why you must use a specific CD. When you put the CD in the player, and the floppy disk in the floppy drive, they synchronize so they play together.

Didn't Spencer or Mark Fontana write a software program that will work on a PC that does this? I believe you can make your own CDs with the MIDI embedded that you can play off a laptop and not even need a DCD1. If so, then you have almost all the capabilities of the MarkIV!

The other totally cool thing that PianoSmart does on a MarkIII, but not on an upgrade from an earlier Disklavier, is transposable audio. I hear this most on my Fiddler on the Roof Pianosmart CD/floppy set. These people on the original soundtrack are not singing in tune to A440. Therefore their voices are not matched to my MarkIIXG tuned to A440. However, on a MarkIII, it will read that their pitch is different, and automatically adjust the voices and orchestra to A440.

May we all be gratefull we have Disklaviers, and not.....

Carol Beigel

----- Original Message -----

From: Aaron Zornes

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 1:11 PM

Subject: RE: [disklavier] Re: upgrade path

Our Mark III already has 16MB memory. Is there an upgrade kit that goes beyond that?

A quick web search only found this upgrade snippet:

NAMM 2000: The Disklavier's 1.44MB memory chip is now upgradeable to 16MB.

Thanks!

--Aaron

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George F. Litterst
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 7:02 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: upgrade path

Good morning, everyone.

On Apr 11, 2008, at 4:05 AM, athomik wrote:

The only upgrades ever released for Disklaviers themselves, which added extra functionality, were a memory upgrade kit for theMark 3 (?), and a Smart key update. All other software updates were only intended to remove software bugs.

Actually, there have been a number of feature enhancements over the years, including the addition of MIDI Time Code (which makes video-sync recording possible) to Disklaviers whose control units had enough additional memory and support for Type 0 Standard MIDI files in the Mark II.

Regards,

PianoBench

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