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Older model Disklaviers and the new DKC-850

Older model Disklaviers and the new DKC-850

2010-10-22 by Carol Beigel

I have been testing the new DKC-850 for over two weeks now, and will be writing an update to my website soon. Perhaps the following information may be helpful to others considering this purchase.
Why Upgrade? - The DKC-850 upgrades your Disklavier to the E3 model. It makes it very easy to copy all your PianoSoft disks into memory and put them away. It makes it easy to create play lists, move files from your personal computer into the Disklavier and hear and purchase music over the Disklavier Internet Radio feature. The box also contains a nice XG soundcard, and a CD player so you can hear the piano play along with an orchestra and/or singing when you add a pair of speakers. A Remote Control unit similar to one that came with your Disklavier is included, as well as necessary MIDI and audio cables. It also comes with over 400 songs on a CD.
What is the difference between a Mark IV and the E3? The Mark IV uses a Linux operating system with a 30gig hard drive. You can copy audio CDs into memory as well as the floppy disks. It is controlled with either a tablet controller or a handheld PRC100 device connected wirelessly to the CF card under the piano. It is elegant, expensive and somewhat slow to operate.
The E3 Disklavier uses the DKC-850 for a control box. It has 128m of flash memory. The Mark IIXG had 1.44m of memory, and the Mark III had 16 memory disks of 1.44m each. You get a lot of memory, but only enough to hold the MIDI data and not the audio files. There are several sources from which to play the music - (built-in flash) Memory, USB drive, CD, Playlists folder, FromToPC folder, and the internet radio. You can also connect a PC, but that is probably not necessary.
The DKC-850 can hold 99 albums with 99 songs in Memory. Playlists are created from the songs stored in the Memory. You can have 99 play lists with 99 songs each. You can copy MIDI files to a CD, but the DKC-850 will only see 99 folders with 99 songs. You can copy songs to a USB thumb drive, but again, there is a 99 folder limitation. The FromToPC feature works great with an ethernet cable plugged into the same router as your PC. You drop songs from your computer's hard drive into this folder which appears in the My Networks area.
NOTE: You CANNOT copy Yamaha Pianosoft disks from one medium to another!! The ONLY way to get a Pianosoft disk into the DKC-850 is with the Yamaha USB Floppy drive! I tried other USB floppy drives, but they did not work. There is a work around for this, but it is very time consuming. Just buy the Yamaha USB floppy drive for about $150 and save yourself a lot of grief!
You can however, copy MIDI files from medium to another.
Add or Replace? - The DKC-850 replaces the control box on the newer models - MarkIIXG and Mark III and will give you Disklavier internet radio as well.
It is added to older models (MX100A/B, Mark II) by connecting MIDI cables to the old control unit. This means the old control unit MUST be in good working order with BOTH a working floppy drive and LCD screen! You do NOT get internet radio when the new box is connected to the old box via MIDI cables.
The Wagon Grand can NOT be upgraded with the DKC-850.
;
Cost? To give you a rough idea of parts and labor costs, these numbers should put you in a ballpark. Each situation is different, but here is a list of repairs and equipment you may be facing:
$300 to replace an old floppy drive
$300 to replace an old LCD display
$1600 for DKC-850 unit
$150 for the Yamaha USB floppy disk drive
$500 for a pair (you really need 2) of Yamaha MSP3 powered speakers with brackets if you want the speakers mounted underneath the piano instead of standing on the floor.
Hope this answers some question for those thinking of buying this product. I have enjoyed having it temporarily installed on my own Disklavier (MarkIIXG) and will miss it when it leaves!
Carol Beigel

Re: [disklavier] Older model Disklaviers and the new DKC-850

2010-10-22 by JORGE FERNANDEZ

Thanks Carol, nice as always, this surely will help me (us) in the decision process.

Regards.
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2010/10/21 Carol Beigel <thecarolb@...>

I have been testing the new DKC-850 for over two weeks now, and will be writing an update to my website soon. Perhaps the following information may be helpful to others considering this purchase.
Why Upgrade? - The DKC-850 upgrades your Disklavier to the E3 model. It makes it very easy to copy all your PianoSoft disks into memory and put them away. It makes it easy to create play lists, move files from your personal computer into the Disklavier and hear and purchase music over the Disklavier Internet Radio feature. The box also contains a nice XG soundcard, and a CD player so you can hear the piano play along with an orchestra and/or singing when you add a pair of speakers. A Remote Control unit similar to one that came with your Disklavier is included, as well as necessary MIDI and audio cables. It also comes with over 400 songs on a CD.
What is the difference between a Mark IV and the E3? The Mark IV uses a Linux operating system with a 30gig hard drive. You can copy audio CDs into memory as well as the floppy disks. It is controlled with either a tablet controller or a handheld PRC100 device connected wirelessly to the CF card under the piano. It is elegant, expensive and somewhat slow to operate.
The E3 Disklavier uses the DKC-850 for a control box. It has 128m of flash memory. The Mark IIXG had 1.44m of memory, and the Mark III had 16 memory disks of 1.44m each. You get a lot of memory, but only enough to hold the MIDI data and not the audio files. There are several sources from which to play the music - (built-in flash) Memory, USB drive, CD, Playlists folder, FromToPC folder, and the internet radio. You can also connect a PC, but that is probably not necessary.
The DKC-850 can hold 99 albums with 99 songs in Memory. Playlists are created from the songs stored in the Memory. You can have 99 play lists with 99 songs each. You can copy MIDI files to a CD, but the DKC-850 will only see 99 folders with 99 songs. You can copy songs to a USB thumb drive, but again, there is a 99 folder limitation. The FromToPC feature works great with an ethernet cable plugged into the same router as your PC. You drop songs from your computer's hard drive into this folder which appears in the My Networks area.
NOTE: You CANNOT copy Yamaha Pianosoft disks from one medium to another!! The ONLY way to get a Pianosoft disk into the DKC-850 is with the Yamaha USB Floppy drive! I tried other USB floppy drives, but they did not work. There is a work around for this, but it is very time consuming. Just buy the Yamaha USB floppy drive for about $150 and save yourself a lot of grief!
You can however, copy MIDI files from medium to another.
Add or Replace? - The DKC-850 replaces the control box on the newer models - MarkIIXG and Mark III and will give you Disklavier internet radio as well.
It is added to older models (MX100A/B, Mark II) by connecting MIDI cables to the old control unit. This means the old control unit MUST be in good working order with BOTH a working floppy drive and LCD screen! You do NOT get internet radio when the new box is connected to the old box via MIDI cables.
The Wagon Grand can NOT be upgraded with the DKC-850.
Cost? To give you a rough idea of parts and labor costs, these numbers should put you in a ballpark. Each situation is different, but here is a list of repairs and equipment you may be facing:
$300 to replace an old floppy drive
$300 to replace an old LCD display
$1600 for DKC-850 unit
$150 for the Yamaha USB floppy disk drive
$500 for a pair (you really need 2) of Yamaha MSP3 powered speakers with brackets if you want the speakers mounted underneath the piano instead of standing on the floor.
Hope this answers some question for those thinking of buying this product. I have enjoyed having it temporarily installed on my own Disklavier (MarkIIXG) and will miss it when it leaves!
Carol Beigel



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Re: Older model Disklaviers and the new DKC-850

2010-12-20 by rcoatebelmont

Hi Carol,

Is the DKC-850 easy to self-install?  I'm thinking about purchasing it to upgrade my Mark III.  Can the DKC-850 be ordered online from Yamaha, or must I go through a dealer?  I have made some inquiries of my local dealer, but he doesn't seem too interested in selling it to me (either for self-install or installed by his technicians).


  - Bob


--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@...> wrote:
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>
> I have been testing the new DKC-850 for over two weeks now, and will be writing an update to my website soon.  Perhaps the following information may be helpful to others considering this purchase.
> 
> Why Upgrade? - The DKC-850 upgrades your Disklavier to the E3 model.  It makes it very easy to copy all your PianoSoft disks into memory and put them away.  It makes it easy to create play lists, move files from your personal computer into the Disklavier and hear and purchase music over the Disklavier Internet Radio feature.  The box also contains a nice XG soundcard, and a CD player so you can hear the piano play along with an orchestra and/or singing when you add a pair of speakers.  A Remote Control unit similar to one that came with your Disklavier is included, as well as necessary MIDI and audio cables.  It also comes with over 400 songs on a CD.
> 
> What is the difference between a Mark IV and the E3?  The Mark IV uses a Linux operating system with a 30gig hard drive.  You can copy audio CDs into memory as well as the floppy disks.  It is controlled with either a tablet controller or a handheld PRC100 device connected wirelessly to the CF card under the piano.  It is elegant, expensive and somewhat slow to operate.
> 
> The E3 Disklavier uses the DKC-850 for a control box.  It has 128m of flash memory.  The Mark IIXG had 1.44m of memory, and the Mark III had 16 memory disks of 1.44m each.  You get a lot of memory, but only enough to hold the MIDI data and not the audio files.  There are several sources from which to play the music - (built-in flash) Memory, USB drive, CD, Playlists folder, FromToPC folder, and the internet radio.  You can also connect a PC, but that is probably not necessary.
> 
> The DKC-850 can hold 99 albums with 99 songs in Memory.  Playlists are created from the songs stored in the Memory.  You can have 99 play lists with 99 songs each.  You can copy MIDI files to a CD, but the DKC-850 will only see 99 folders with 99 songs.  You can copy songs to a USB thumb drive, but again, there is a 99 folder limitation.  The FromToPC feature works great with an ethernet cable plugged into the same router as your PC.  You drop songs from your computer's hard drive into this folder which appears in the My Networks area.
> 
> NOTE:  You CANNOT copy Yamaha Pianosoft disks from one medium to another!!  The ONLY way to get a Pianosoft disk into the DKC-850 is with the Yamaha USB Floppy drive!  I tried other USB floppy drives, but they did not work. There is a work around for this, but it is very time consuming.  Just buy the Yamaha USB floppy drive for about $150 and save yourself a lot of grief!
> 
> You can however, copy MIDI files from medium to another.
> 
> Add or Replace? -  The DKC-850 replaces the control box on the newer models - MarkIIXG and Mark III and will give you Disklavier internet radio as well.
> 
> It is added to older models (MX100A/B, Mark II) by connecting MIDI cables to the old control unit.  This means the old control unit MUST be in good working order with BOTH a working floppy drive and LCD screen!  You do NOT get internet radio when the new box is connected to the old box via MIDI cables.
> 
> The Wagon Grand can NOT be upgraded with the DKC-850.
> 
> Cost?  To give you a rough idea of parts and labor costs, these numbers should put you in a ballpark.  Each situation is different, but here is a list of repairs and equipment you may be facing:
>     $300 to replace an old floppy drive
>     $300 to replace an old LCD display
>     $1600 for DKC-850 unit
>     $150 for the Yamaha USB floppy disk drive
>     $500 for a pair (you really need 2) of Yamaha MSP3 powered speakers with brackets if you want the speakers mounted underneath the piano instead of standing on the floor.
> 
> Hope this answers some question for those thinking of buying this product.  I have enjoyed having it temporarily installed on my own Disklavier (MarkIIXG) and will miss it when it leaves!
> 
> Carol Beigel
>

Re: [disklavier] Re: Older model Disklaviers and the new DKC-850

2010-12-20 by Stephen Medler

Carol has WAY more expertise than I do.  However, to answer the question as to ease of installation....

It was simple to install.  Just remove four screws and unplug the old Mark III and then put the new 850 in with 4 screws and plug in the lines to the back.  Very EASY.  But note there is one cord you won't be needing.

I think you have to buy from a dealer. I am sure Carol can direct you to a nice dealer.   In St Louis Mo I bought from Piano Distributors  (www.pianodistributors.com)  But really I just walked in and picked it up.
Your Tuner may also provided valued information.  Mine did.
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On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:11 PM, rcoatebelmont wrote:

> Hi Carol,
> 
> Is the DKC-850 easy to self-install? I'm thinking about purchasing it to upgrade my Mark III. Can the DKC-850 be ordered online from Yamaha, or must I go through a dealer? I have made some inquiries of my local dealer, but he doesn't seem too interested in selling it to me (either for self-install or installed by his technicians).
> 
> - Bob
> 
>

Re: [disklavier] Re: Older model Disklaviers and the new DKC-850

2010-12-20 by Stephen Medler

One other item:   The Internet Radio needs to be connected to the Internet.  I did NOT have a telephone line in the Piano Room. I use an ATT Wireless Modem DSL (Telephone Line dependent).  
However by purchasing an APPLE  Airport Express device (www.apple.com/airportexpress/) I was able to connect the 850 to this device which in turn WIRELESSLY connects to the Home wireless network (ATT Wireless modem).  Thus, I did NOT have any Telephone lines or Ethernet lines coming out from piano.  Also the Mac computer "Sees" the 850 hard drive wirelessly too.  VERY COOL.
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On Dec 20, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Stephen Medler wrote:

> 
> Carol has WAY more expertise than I do.  However, to answer the question as to ease of installation....
> 
> It was simple to install.  Just remove four screws and unplug the old Mark III and then put the new 850 in with 4 screws and plug in the lines to the back.  Very EASY.  But note there is one cord you won't be needing.
> 
> I think you have to buy from a dealer. I am sure Carol can direct you to a nice dealer.   In St Louis Mo I bought from Piano Distributors  (www.pianodistributors.com)  But really I just walked in and picked it up.
> Your Tuner may also provided valued information.  Mine did.

Re: [disklavier] Re: Older model Disklaviers and the new DKC-850

2010-12-20 by Peter Giles

John Slump at Piano Distributors is very helpful. You can reach him at jslump@...

Peter
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:27:29 -0800
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Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Older model Disklaviers and the new DKC-850



Carol has WAY more expertise than I do.  However, to answer the question as to ease of installation....

It was simple to install.  Just remove four screws and unplug the old Mark III and then put the new 850 in with 4 screws and plug in the lines to the back.  Very EASY.  But note there is one cord you won't be needing.

I think you have to buy from a dealer. I am sure Carol can direct you to a nice dealer.   In St Louis Mo I bought from Piano Distributors  (www.pianodistributors.com<http://www.pianodistributors.com>)  But really I just walked in and picked it up.
Your Tuner may also provided valued information.  Mine did.



On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:11 PM, rcoatebelmont wrote:



Hi Carol,

Is the DKC-850 easy to self-install? I'm thinking about purchasing it to upgrade my Mark III. Can the DKC-850 be ordered online from Yamaha, or must I go through a dealer? I have made some inquiries of my local dealer, but he doesn't seem too interested in selling it to me (either for self-install or installed by his technicians).

- Bob

Re: [disklavier] Re: Older model Disklaviers and the new DKC-850

2010-12-20 by George F. Litterst

Good evening, everyone.

The DKC-850 comes with a short "conversion cable" that is intended to connect the new control unit to the cable that formerly connected to the old control unit. Although the cable that connected to the old control unit will fit the input to the DKC-850, I believe the this conversion cable is necessary in order for all of the functions to work correctly.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Dec 20, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Stephen Medler wrote:


Carol has WAY more expertise than I do. However, to answer the question as to ease of installation....

It was simple to install. Just remove four screws and unplug the old Mark III and then put the new 850 in with 4 screws and plug in the lines to the back. Very EASY. But note there is one cord you won't be needing.

I think you have to buy from a dealer. I am sure Carol can direct you to a nice dealer. In St Louis Mo I bought from Piano Distributors (www.pianodistributors.com) ;But really I just walked in and picked it up.
Your Tuner may also provided valued information. Mine did.



On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:11 PM, rcoatebelmont wrote:

Hi Carol,

Is the DKC-850 easy to self-install? I'm thinking about purchasing it to upgrade my Mark III. Can the DKC-850 be ordered online from Yamaha, or must I go through a dealer? I have made some inquiries of my local dealer, but he doesn't seem too interested in selling it to me (either for self-install or installed by his technicians).

- Bob




Re: [disklavier] Re: Older model Disklaviers and the new DKC-850

2010-12-21 by Carol Beigel

I believe the DKC-850 to be very easy to self-install - especially if you 
read and follow ALL the instructions!  You need to buy the unit from a 
Yamaha dealer as well as the floppy drive.  The box comes with more cables 
than you need for installation on a MarkIII.  You would have an audio cable 
and 2 midi cables left over. You will also need to refer to the manual that 
came with your MarkIII Disklavier for instructions on setting the MIDI 
function to HP.   If you plan to use the internet radio feature, it helps to 
already have an ethernet port already installed in the room where you keep 
your Disklavier.  This ethernet port should be connected to your cable, DSL 
or FIOS modem.  Someone else has posted a way to connect wirelessly to their 
home network via an Apple Airport.  Good luck!

Carol

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 2:11 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Older model Disklaviers and the new DKC-850


> Hi Carol,
>
> Is the DKC-850 easy to self-install?  I'm thinking about purchasing it to 
> upgrade my Mark III.  Can the DKC-850 be ordered online from Yamaha, or 
> must I go through a dealer?  I have made some inquiries of my local 
> dealer, but he doesn't seem too interested in selling it to me (either for 
> self-install or installed by his technicians).
>
>
>  - Bob
>
>
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@...> wrote:
>>
>> I have been testing the new DKC-850 for over two weeks now, and will be 
>> writing an update to my website soon.  Perhaps the following information 
>> may be helpful to others considering this purchase.
>>
>> Why Upgrade? - The DKC-850 upgrades your Disklavier to the E3 model.  It 
>> makes it very easy to copy all your PianoSoft disks into memory and put 
>> them away.  It makes it easy to create play lists, move files from your 
>> personal computer into the Disklavier and hear and purchase music over 
>> the Disklavier Internet Radio feature.  The box also contains a nice XG 
>> soundcard, and a CD player so you can hear the piano play along with an 
>> orchestra and/or singing when you add a pair of speakers.  A Remote 
>> Control unit similar to one that came with your Disklavier is included, 
>> as well as necessary MIDI and audio cables.  It also comes with over 400 
>> songs on a CD.
>>
>> What is the difference between a Mark IV and the E3?  The Mark IV uses a 
>> Linux operating system with a 30gig hard drive.  You can copy audio CDs 
>> into memory as well as the floppy disks.  It is controlled with either a 
>> tablet controller or a handheld PRC100 device connected wirelessly to the 
>> CF card under the piano.  It is elegant, expensive and somewhat slow to 
>> operate.
>>
>> The E3 Disklavier uses the DKC-850 for a control box.  It has 128m of 
>> flash memory.  The Mark IIXG had 1.44m of memory, and the Mark III had 16 
>> memory disks of 1.44m each.  You get a lot of memory, but only enough to 
>> hold the MIDI data and not the audio files.  There are several sources 
>> from which to play the music - (built-in flash) Memory, USB drive, CD, 
>> Playlists folder, FromToPC folder, and the internet radio.  You can also 
>> connect a PC, but that is probably not necessary.
>>
>> The DKC-850 can hold 99 albums with 99 songs in Memory.  Playlists are 
>> created from the songs stored in the Memory.  You can have 99 play lists 
>> with 99 songs each.  You can copy MIDI files to a CD, but the DKC-850 
>> will only see 99 folders with 99 songs.  You can copy songs to a USB 
>> thumb drive, but again, there is a 99 folder limitation.  The FromToPC 
>> feature works great with an ethernet cable plugged into the same router 
>> as your PC.  You drop songs from your computer's hard drive into this 
>> folder which appears in the My Networks area.
>>
>> NOTE:  You CANNOT copy Yamaha Pianosoft disks from one medium to 
>> another!!  The ONLY way to get a Pianosoft disk into the DKC-850 is with 
>> the Yamaha USB Floppy drive!  I tried other USB floppy drives, but they 
>> did not work. There is a work around for this, but it is very time 
>> consuming.  Just buy the Yamaha USB floppy drive for about $150 and save 
>> yourself a lot of grief!
>>
>> You can however, copy MIDI files from medium to another.
>>
>> Add or Replace? -  The DKC-850 replaces the control box on the newer 
>> models - MarkIIXG and Mark III and will give you Disklavier internet 
>> radio as well.
>>
>> It is added to older models (MX100A/B, Mark II) by connecting MIDI cables 
>> to the old control unit.  This means the old control unit MUST be in good 
>> working order with BOTH a working floppy drive and LCD screen!  You do 
>> NOT get internet radio when the new box is connected to the old box via 
>> MIDI cables.
>>
>> The Wagon Grand can NOT be upgraded with the DKC-850.
>>
>> Cost?  To give you a rough idea of parts and labor costs, these numbers 
>> should put you in a ballpark.  Each situation is different, but here is a 
>> list of repairs and equipment you may be facing:
>>     $300 to replace an old floppy drive
>>     $300 to replace an old LCD display
>>     $1600 for DKC-850 unit
>>     $150 for the Yamaha USB floppy disk drive
>>     $500 for a pair (you really need 2) of Yamaha MSP3 powered speakers 
>> with brackets if you want the speakers mounted underneath the piano 
>> instead of standing on the floor.
>>
>> Hope this answers some question for those thinking of buying this 
>> product.  I have enjoyed having it temporarily installed on my own 
>> Disklavier (MarkIIXG) and will miss it when it leaves!
>>
>> Carol Beigel
>>
>
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Re: [disklavier] Re: Older model Disklaviers and the new DKC-850

2010-12-21 by George F. Litterst

Good morning, everyone.

I believe that instructions for "setting the MIDI function to HP" apply only to using the DKC-850 with a Mark II which is connected with MIDI cables.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Carol Beigel wrote:

I believe the DKC-850 to be very easy to self-install - especially if you
read and follow ALL the instructions! You need to buy the unit from a
Yamaha dealer as well as the floppy drive. The box comes with more cables
than you need for installation on a MarkIII. You would have an audio cable
and 2 midi cables left over. You will also need to refer to the manual that
came with your MarkIII Disklavier for instructions on setting the MIDI
function to HP. If you plan to use the internet radio feature, it helps to
already have an ethernet port already installed in the room where you keep
your Disklavier. This ethernet port should be connected to your cable, DSL
or FIOS modem. Someone else has posted a way to connect wirelessly to their
home network via an Apple Airport. Good luck!

Carol

----- Original Message -----

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From: "rcoatebelmont" <rcoate@...>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 2:11 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Older model Disklaviers and the new DKC-850

> Hi Carol,
>
> Is the DKC-850 easy to self-install? I'm thinking about purchasing it to
> upgrade my Mark III. Can the DKC-850 be ordered online from Yamaha, or
> must I go through a dealer? I have made some inquiries of my local
> dealer, but he doesn't seem too interested in selling it to me (either for
> self-install or installed by his technicians).
>
>
> - Bob
>
>
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" wrote:
>>
>> I have been testing the new DKC-850 for over two weeks now, and will be
>> writing an update to my website soon. Perhaps the following information
>> may be helpful to others considering this purchase.
>>
>> Why Upgrade? - The DKC-850 upgrades your Disklavier to the E3 model. It
>> makes it very easy to copy all your PianoSoft disks into memory and put
>> them away. It makes it easy to create play lists, move files from your
>> personal computer into the Disklavier and hear and purchase music over
>> the Disklavier Internet Radio feature. The box also contains a nice XG
>> soundcard, and a CD player so you can hear the piano play along with an
>> orchestra and/or singing when you add a pair of speakers. A Remote
>> Control unit similar to one that came with your Disklavier is included,
>> as well as necessary MIDI and audio cables. It also comes with over 400
>> songs on a CD.
>>
>> What is the difference between a Mark IV and the E3? The Mark IV uses a
>> Linux operating system with a 30gig hard drive. You can copy audio CDs
>> into memory as well as the floppy disks. It is controlled with either a
>> tablet controller or a handheld PRC100 device connected wirelessly to the
>;> CF card under the piano. It is elegant, expensive and somewhat slow to
>> operate.
>>
>> The E3 Disklavier uses the DKC-850 for a control box. It has 128m of
>> flash memory. The Mark IIXG had 1.44m of memory, and the Mark III had 16
>> memory disks of 1.44m each. You get a lot of memory, but only enough to
>> hold the MIDI data and not the audio files. There are several sources
>> from which to play the music - (built-in flash) Memory, USB drive, CD,
>> Playlists folder, FromToPC folder, and the internet radio. You can also
>> connect a PC, but that is probably not necessary.
>>
>> The DKC-850 can hold 99 albums with 99 songs in Memory. Playlists are
>> created from the songs stored in the Memory. You can have 99 play lists
>> with 99 songs each. You can copy MIDI files to a CD, but the DKC-850
>> will only see 99 folders with 99 songs. You can copy songs to a USB
>> thumb drive, but again, there is a 99 folder limitation. The FromToPC
>> feature works great with an ethernet cable plugged into the same router
>> as your PC. You drop songs from your computer's hard drive into this
>> folder which appears in the My Networks area.
>>
>> NOTE: You CANNOT copy Yamaha Pianosoft disks from one medium to
>> another!! The ONLY way to get a Pianosoft disk into the DKC-850 is with
>> the Yamaha USB Floppy drive! I tried other USB floppy drives, but they
>> did not work. There is a work around for this, but it is very time
>> consuming. Just buy the Yamaha USB floppy drive for about $150 and save
>> yourself a lot of grief!
>>
>> You can however, copy MIDI files from medium to another.
>>
>> Add or Replace? - The DKC-850 replaces the control box on the newer
>> models - MarkIIXG and Mark III and will give you Disklavier internet
>> radio as well.
>>
>> It is added to older models (MX100A/B, Mark II) by connecting MIDI cables
>> to the old control unit. This means the old control unit MUST be in good
>> working order with BOTH a working floppy drive and LCD screen! You do
>> NOT get internet radio when the new box is connected to the old box via
>> MIDI cables.
>>
>> The Wagon Grand can NOT be upgraded with the DKC-850.
>>
>> Cost? To give you a rough idea of parts and labor costs, these numbers
>> should put you in a ballpark. Each situation is different, but here is a
>> list of repairs and equipment you may be facing:
>> $300 to replace an old floppy drive
>> $300 to replace an old LCD display
>> $1600 for DKC-850 unit
>> $150 for the Yamaha USB floppy disk drive
>> $500 for a pair (you really need 2) of Yamaha MSP3 powered speakers
>> with brackets if you want the speakers mounted underneath the piano
>> instead of standing on the floor.
>>
>> Hope this answers some question for those thinking of buying this
>> product. I have enjoyed having it temporarily installed on my own
>> Disklavier (MarkIIXG) and will miss it when it leaves!
>>
>> Carol Beigel
>>
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Re: Older model Disklaviers and the new DKC-850

2010-12-27 by rcoatebelmont

Sounds easy enough!  Thanks for the replies.  I will be visiting another dealer's showroom in a few days, will see what happens.



--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@...> wrote:
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> I believe the DKC-850 to be very easy to self-install - especially if you 
> read and follow ALL the instructions!  You need to buy the unit from a 
> Yamaha dealer as well as the floppy drive.  The box comes with more cables 
> than you need for installation on a MarkIII.  You would have an audio cable 
> and 2 midi cables left over. You will also need to refer to the manual that 
> came with your MarkIII Disklavier for instructions on setting the MIDI 
> function to HP.   If you plan to use the internet radio feature, it helps to 
> already have an ethernet port already installed in the room where you keep 
> your Disklavier.  This ethernet port should be connected to your cable, DSL 
> or FIOS modem.  Someone else has posted a way to connect wirelessly to their 
> home network via an Apple Airport.  Good luck!
> 
> Carol
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "rcoatebelmont" <rcoate@...>
> To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 2:11 PM
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: Older model Disklaviers and the new DKC-850
> 
> 
> > Hi Carol,
> >
> > Is the DKC-850 easy to self-install?  I'm thinking about purchasing it to 
> > upgrade my Mark III.  Can the DKC-850 be ordered online from Yamaha, or 
> > must I go through a dealer?  I have made some inquiries of my local 
> > dealer, but he doesn't seem too interested in selling it to me (either for 
> > self-install or installed by his technicians).
> >
> >
> >  - Bob
> >
> >

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