Elektron Musical Instruments

That's a cool idea.  Thanks for the explanation.  Gotta try that out.
   It may be wasteful but you always can back up right?  Great idea
for a new machine too.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "crixmadine71" <nate@o...> wrote:
> 
> Basically, here is what I did:
> 
> 1) In the MD, I programmed 8 patterns (lets say A1 thru A8) with 2
> steps each.  But when all 8 patterns are chained, it sounds like a 16
> step pattern.
> 
> 2) Then in the global menu I mapped different program change numbers
> to each of the 8 patterns.
> 
> 3) In the Rev, I programmed the step sequencer to send a program
> change number (corresponding to what was mapped in the MD) every 2
> steps to the MD.  But I made sure each program change switches the MD
> pattern in the order that I want it (i.e. A1, A2, A3,...).  So in the
> end the MD sounds like it is playing a regular 16 step patterns (but
> in reality it is playing across 8 different patterns, A1 thru A8 in
> that order).
> 
> 4) But then the fun comes when you engage the Rev into Remix mode. It
> has the ability to playback each step in its 16 step sequencer in 127
> different combinations controlled from two rotary knobs.  So for
> example it could instantly re-order the playback of the patterns in
> the MD (i.e. A4, A2, A2, A7, A1, A5, A5, A3).  Notice that it can
> trigger certain steps more than once in the same pattern, thus givng
> your patterns a stutter feel, or it can change the order of only one
> step.  There seems to be a range in how random you want to mix things
> up.  So, sometimes it can sound almost too random and you need to tame
> things back.  Most of the time I use this technique for on-the-fly
> pattern fills because you can instantly go back to the original
> pattern.  Another thing to note here is be strategic how you program
> the fragmented pattern in the MD knowing that it will be mixed up. 
> Otherwise it could sound too random with no groove.
> 
> Internally, the Rev is used for remixing the acid patterns or making
> acid fills, but obviously it can be used to control external gear in
> the same way. So you could use this same technique for changing up
> melodies in the MnM (or anthing thing else for that matter), without
> the need for program change messages. 
> 
> The down-side of this when using it this way with the MD is it is a
> pattern hog.  2 steps for one pattern is kind of a waste.  But if this
> is the type of control you require, its necessary.  Obviouly you can
> make your patterns any length you want.  That is why I mentioned this
> would make a great CTRL-Machine for the MD.  Having the ability to
> remix the steps for one pattern, so that all the 2-step parts don't
> have to be spread across multiple patterns.  Plus, being able to do
> this soley from the MD makes it more conveient plus you could utilze
> the param locks to do this for you.
> 
> BTW, for those who don't have a Revolution and are OSX based, I think
> Numerology can sequence in this way and controlable via external midi
> controllers along with a host of other amazing midi features.  See
> http://www.five12.com/numerology.html - it is worth researching.  But
> I'm PC-based and wondered if any one knew of something similar?  I
> suppose this type of remix step sequencer could be written in MAX/MSP
> too of course.
> 
> -nate
> http://obliq.net
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "endlessnessisticman"
> <moving808@e...> wrote:
> > 
> > Can you elaborate more on how you do this with the MD?  Are you able
> > to change the way the MD pattern plays?  Do you trigger the MD
> tracks
> > or patterns?  What's going on?  Can other sequencers do this?
> > 
> > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Jantz" <nate@o...>
> wrote:
> > > I've had the Revolution for a few months now and have to say it is
> > the best
> > > sounding 303 clone I've ever heard.  The ease of on-the-fly
> > programming is
> > > its strong point.  You can program acid for days on this thing. 
> The
> > > sequencer is simple yet so very effective.
> > > 
> > > To keep this on topic, here is a neat trick I did with the Rev and
> > MD.  As
> > > an experiment, I triggered patterns on the MD from the Rev using
> the
> > "Remix"
> > > feature.  The Rev can send program change messages on any given
> > step.  So I
> > > mapped those program change numbers to pattern fragments on the
> MD.
> >  Using
> > > the Remix feature allowed me to remix my MD patterns on-the-fly
> with
> > good
> > > results.  Remember that the Rev allows for 127 variations from one
> > pattern
> > > at your finger tips at any point!  So MD pattern mania ensued.
> > > 
> > > BTW, I think this would make a great feature in the MD if it was
> > built in as
> > > a CTRL-machine (or REMIX-Machine), along with being able to trig
> > patterns
> > > with variation to length and offset of a pattern as I have
> mentioned a
> > > couple of times before on this list.  Imagine being able to remix
> > your MD
> > > pattern with a twist of a knob or via param locks.
> > > 
> > > -nate
> > > http://obliq.net
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:09:43 -0500
> > > > From: Andy Tarpinian <evildead@n...>
> > > > Subject: Re: Revolution vs 777 info....
> > > > 
> > > > P.S. I'm about to order one, I'll let you know how it turns out.
> > > > 
> > > > On 3/29/05 4:24 PM, "Andy Tarpinian" wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > Some other tidbits from the Keyboard mag review. You cant
> input
> > notes
> > > > into
> > > > > the sequencer via midi keyboard :(
> > > > >
> > > > > And no patch memory, only sequences yay! :)
> > > > >
> > > > > On 3/29/05 4:01 PM, "finite_sf" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I just got off the phone with Jered Flickinger one of the
> > founders of
> > > > >> Future Retro the makers of the 777 and the Revolution. I
> talked
> > to him
> > > > >> for about an hour, and found out some awesome info. I
> thought I
> > would
> > > > >> pass it on as I know that there are a bunch of ppl here that
> > enjoy the
> > > > >> MnM sequencer, and thus would enjoy the ability to sequence a
> > CV/Gate
> > > > >> or din or even a MIDI synth from a MnM -> Revolution...
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 777 two analog osc wider thus able of a wider range of sounds
> (saw
> > > > >> true square)
> > > > >> Revolution single analog osc (saw, true 303 liquid square)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Revolution has upgraded temp compensation of osc thus no
> tuning
> > > > >> problems
> > > > >> improved the dac accuracy of note playing
> > > > >> sequencer pattern shuffle
> > > > >> pattern forward backward
> > > > >> *remix a pattern
> > > > >> effects 24 stereo 16 effects
> > > > >> true analog distort
> > > > >> audio input
> > > > >> cv/gate
> > > > >> din sync out 303 808 606 etc...
> > > > >> patch select via midi
> > > > >> 300 back orders... august
> > > > >> 100 out