Elektron Musical Instruments

Interesting statement...
I expected the timing not to be a random phenomen..it
indeed sounds catchy...The elektrons defently have a
groove..
Only problem i got with that is to get exact cue
points on editing...
Usually i use the kick of my main drum machine as
refference...
With the MD\ufffds microtiming this can cause problems...
at least you just cant cut blocks without checking the
cut points afterwards.. or determining the tempo is a
difficult task when you have used the MD as clock
master.. 120 bpm in the MD are not the same as 120 bpm
in protools... its something like 119,9875 bpm on the
protools... to get such a number is a lot of work when
you dont have another refference than the MD...

So solution for this is to record another instrument
with a tight click together with the MD to get your
edit points..the easiest solution...
And..a clicktrack can come handy anyway..
But..
It might be an idea to have a clicktrack machine in
the MD aswell..
one that is 100% tight for refference purposes...
when you need it you can record that on a seperate
track as editing refference or to determine the
original tempo..

--- daniel_elektron <daniel@...> schrieb:

> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, ehdyn81@...
> wrote:
> 
> 
> > As for the user wave elektron, what ever became of
> the internal timing
> > issue? Some people on the forums were complaining
> of noticeable clock
> > jitter. Hard to believe as A.E. have really
> precise timing. But then
> > again,
> 
> I've always claimed that the Machinedrum is dead
> tight if you run it
> on its internal sequencer, and I don't want to back
> of.
> 
> People have measured sample delays on individual
> hits, which is not
> what I meant. There are some "magic" put into the
> timing of the
> Elektron instruments, can't disclose all, but I
> suggested in the
> thread to do a listening test and see what feels
> tighter.
> 
> Not always your ear want to hear the most dead spot
> on note, the ear
> is more complex than that. Many of the legendary
> beat boxes have a
> special grove to it, and I think that people would
> feel a hard-to-tell
> lack of something if we made everything sample
> tight.
> 
> When we designed our own magic we went through all
> legendary drum
> machines , especially the MPC-60 to get an idea of
> the "magic swing".
> It's not a swing per as, but some notes we noticed
> where perceived as
> more catchy if put a few samples forward or, most
> often before in
> time. That's what people have been measuring. I
> don't want to go in
> detail as we put a lot of effort into this other
> that to say - do
> listening tests. Try a sample tight (computer
> sequencer) and take some
> of your favorite beat boxes and see which result you
> prefer real life.
> 
> It was a big thread and I just had time for one post
> to state our view
> on this, so it can easily get lost.
> 
> If you want rigidity, computer is the way to go, but
> we want to do
> something more.
> 
> Note also that there is no delay between patterns,
> so the tempo is
> kept dead tight over time. As a matter of fact we've
> had it run
> alongside Protool for hours with any delays.
> 
> What you prefer is always individual, but there are
> reasons behind the
> small, _almost_ unnoticeable timing of the different
> notes in the
> 16:th and 32 note realm.
> 
> Note that the MIDI clock out is always exact on the
> spot and when
> running the internal sequencer (as well as standard
> MIDI can do it),
> and that the internal "magic" (that's our view of it
> at least, I
> respect others that prefer exact sample accuracy) is
> only applied when
> you run on internal clock on the internal sequencer
> and is/can not be
> applied to incoming MIDI triggering data.
> 
> Daniel, Elektron
> 
> 



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