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Change knobs?

2006-02-04 by Tarekith

Greetings all, first post here after getting my SPS-1UW yesterday. 
One quick question, has anyone ever changed the knobs or the dial on
the MD?  While the pots and dial action are excellent, I find the
smooth sides of both kind of slippery at times.  Has anyone put on
rubber coated knobs, or a new dial with ridges on the side?

If so, can you tell me where you got them, or what size I'd need?

Sorry if this has been asked before, searched the archives but
couldn't find anything.

Thanks, and glad to be here!

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Re: [elektron] Change knobs?

2006-02-04 by Chris Stammen

Interesting point,
In fact, my knobs don't respond as they should. Sometimes, when turned 
fast, the values are adjusted in the opposite way - and that's pretty 
annoying when performing some live recordings.
Maybe there's a solution for our problem. This is the only negative 
aspect of MD. You wouldn't expect this behaviour from a EUR 1600 machine.
Should I contact elektron for this?

-CosmicTrance / chris s.



Tarekith wrote:
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> Greetings all, first post here after getting my SPS-1UW yesterday.
> One quick question, has anyone ever changed the knobs or the dial on
> the MD?  While the pots and dial action are excellent, I find the
> smooth sides of both kind of slippery at times.  Has anyone put on
> rubber coated knobs, or a new dial with ridges on the side?
>
> If so, can you tell me where you got them, or what size I'd need?
>
> Sorry if this has been asked before, searched the archives but
> couldn't find anything.
>
> Thanks, and glad to be here!
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Re: [elektron] Change knobs?

2006-02-04 by niall munnelly

On Sat, Feb 04, 2006 at 08:30:10PM +0100, Chris Stammen wrote:
> Interesting point,
> In fact, my knobs don't respond as they should. Sometimes, when turned 
> fast, the values are adjusted in the opposite way - and that's pretty 
> annoying when performing some live recordings.

i've seen this.  i thought it was my imagination.

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Re: [elektron] Change knobs?

2006-02-04 by Joseph Melnyk

On Feb 4, 2006, at 2:30 PM, Chris Stammen wrote:

> Maybe there's a solution for our problem. This is the only negative
> aspect of MD. You wouldn't expect this behaviour from a EUR 1600  
> machine.
> Should I contact elektron for this?

these are two separate problems entirely.  encoders going the opposite
direction is an indicator that they are faulty and need to be  
replaced.  you
should definitely contact Elektron to take care of this.

as far as replacing the knobs on the encoders...I don't know if it  
can be done or
not.  the encoders Elektron uses are custom-made and I don't know if the
stems on them are standard or not.  if they are, then yes you can  
replace the
knobs with something else.  if not, you'll have a hard time finding  
something that
will fit, I'd imagine.  BUT be forewarned that taking the knobs off  
is dangerous.
the encoder stems are plastic and you could very well snap one when
removing a knob from it.  you might be able to get some insight from  
Elektron
on this, so mailing them wouldn't be a bad idea.

Re: [elektron] Change knobs?

2006-02-04 by Tarekith

Thanks guys.

On 2/4/06, Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@...> wrote:
>
>  On Feb 4, 2006, at 2:30 PM, Chris Stammen wrote:
>
> > Maybe there's a solution for our problem. This is the only negative
> > aspect of MD. You wouldn't expect this behaviour from a EUR 1600
> > machine.
> > Should I contact elektron for this?
>
> these are two separate problems entirely.  encoders going the opposite
> direction is an indicator that they are faulty and need to be
> replaced.  you
> should definitely contact Elektron to take care of this.
>
> as far as replacing the knobs on the encoders...I don't know if it
> can be done or
> not.  the encoders Elektron uses are custom-made and I don't know if the
> stems on them are standard or not.  if they are, then yes you can
> replace the
> knobs with something else.  if not, you'll have a hard time finding
> something that
> will fit, I'd imagine.  BUT be forewarned that taking the knobs off
> is dangerous.
> the encoder stems are plastic and you could very well snap one when
> removing a knob from it.  you might be able to get some insight from
> Elektron
> on this, so mailing them wouldn't be a bad idea.
>
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Re: Change knobs?

2006-02-05 by Mark Rivera

< Has anyone put on rubber coated knobs, or a new dial with ridges on 
the side? If so, can you tell me where you got them, or what size I'd 
need? >

I always have trouble finding cool knobs, so if you find out about where 
to get some please let us know. You can find some at http://digikey.com/ 
and http://mouser.com/ for starters. There are standard sizes and types. 
Some are "D" shaped, some are "*" shaped, etc. It's pretty easy to 
determine what size they are -- just take a ruler to them, and be sure 
pay attention to the length of the shaft since you don't want knobs that 
will rub against the surface of the chassis. Also, keep in mind the 
width of the knob at its base and make sure you have enough room for 
your fingers. Ideally, I'd like to find some nice knobs like the Virus 
machines have, without the white pointer line, but that hasn't happened 
yet..


< encoders going the opposite direction is an indicator that they are 
faulty and need to be replaced. >

Did they say this specifically? Just wondering cause if so then what I 
have to say be irrelevant, but, I think they're not necessarily faulty. 
It could have to do with the rate at which their position is sampled (if 
they are being polled). It's like a car wheel or fan blades - sometimes 
the illusion is they are spinning backwards at certain speeds. The way 
(most) encoders work is that they emit what amounts to an offset pair of 
square waves, and depending on which of the pair is high, low, or both 
are are one or the other, the system makes a decision about what has 
happened to the encoder since the last time it checked. Dunno if that's 
how the Elektron gear handles encoders, but it's a common way and a 
common problem when they are spun too fast. Beyond the sound, there's 
something to be said for analog interfaces in music gear -- but, pros 
and cons, no endless poti's, no instant parameter recall etc etc..


< the encoders Elektron uses are custom-made and I don't know if the 
stems on them are standard or not >

I can't imagine why they would need to have custom-made ones. Are you 
certain? A good encoder is around $2~$5, and custom ones wouldn't make 
sense from an profit/engineering standpoint. (Then, again, I have no 
idea how cheap custom encoders are, but I'm imagining.) I'm just curious 
because I tend to pay attention to what choices electronics mfgs make 
with regard to parts and stuff esp where the interface is concerned..


Mark

Re: [elektron] Re: Change knobs?

2006-02-05 by Tarekith

Exactly my thoughts too, I have a TI-K and would love knobs like it has.

Ideally, I'd like to find some nice knobs like the Virus
>  machines have, without the white pointer line, but that hasn't happened
>  yet..


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