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Serious Question - MD-UW vs. MD + Live

Serious Question - MD-UW vs. MD + Live

2006-03-27 by les_chupacabra

Aside from the fact that it frees you from a computer - what are the 
advantages of the MD-UW vs. a standard MD using MIDI machines to 
control Abelton Live?  Abelton is designed from the ground up for live 
performances so it seems the two would be extremely complementary.  
Play live guitar, a record, a cd, etc. into Live and trigger them via 
the MD?

I'm keeping an open mind and I know there are users strongly in both 
camps but it seems to me that $500 spent on Live (providing you already 
have a computer and audio/midi interface) would be better spent than 
the extra $400 on the UW option.

Is there anything obvious I'm overlooking?

Thanks!

Re: [elektron] Serious Question - MD-UW vs. MD + Live

2006-03-27 by Tarekith

For me it's all about the interfacing, and the RAM machines.  I find
it's just easier and faster to keep it all 'in the box' as it were,
versus programming the midi machines to control Live.

I use Live for my DJing now, and my live sets, so I'm pretty familiar
with both options you bring up.  One possible downside of the UW, is
the small memory available, works great for drum hits and single
samples, but obviously excludes lots of longer samples.  Not sure what
your intended use is, so hard to say if this will be an issue.

If you're only going to be using Live to play back drum samples, I say
get the UW option.  It's one of those things that looks expensive on
paper, but once you get some hands on time with it you'll be hooked
and see the value.  I too was debating getting the more expensive UW
version, but once it arrived, I realized I would have payed twice as
much for those new functions.

On 3/27/06, les_chupacabra <john.potter@...> wrote:
> Aside from the fact that it frees you from a computer - what are the
> advantages of the MD-UW vs. a standard MD using MIDI machines to
> control Abelton Live?  Abelton is designed from the ground up for live
> performances so it seems the two would be extremely complementary.
> Play live guitar, a record, a cd, etc. into Live and trigger them via
> the MD?
>
> I'm keeping an open mind and I know there are users strongly in both
> camps but it seems to me that $500 spent on Live (providing you already
> have a computer and audio/midi interface) would be better spent than
> the extra $400 on the UW option.
>
> Is there anything obvious I'm overlooking?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: [elektron] Serious Question - MD-UW vs. MD + Live

2006-03-27 by les_chupacabra

Thanks for the response Tarekith.  I was hoping you'd chime in - I 
was reading through the archives last night and saw you were using 
Live + the MDUW.  I listened to some of your mixes as well - very 
nice!

My intent is probably less spontaneous than yours - create some 
texture in something like CSound, record a little guitar, maybe play 
with warp markers to change the feel a bit - develop a little library 
and then choose the appropriate sample after the fact... and 
actually, probably route it back into Live, play around in there w/ 
copy/paste/etc, and then save back to disk.  More a multi-track 
recording scenario then on the fly DJing.

Thanks for your comment.

John

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Tarekith <Tarekith@...> wrote:
>
> For me it's all about the interfacing, and the RAM machines.  I find
> it's just easier and faster to keep it all 'in the box' as it were,
> versus programming the midi machines to control Live.
> 
> I use Live for my DJing now, and my live sets, so I'm pretty 
familiar
> with both options you bring up.  One possible downside of the UW, is
> the small memory available, works great for drum hits and single
> samples, but obviously excludes lots of longer samples.  Not sure 
what
> your intended use is, so hard to say if this will be an issue.
> 
> If you're only going to be using Live to play back drum samples, I 
say
> get the UW option.  It's one of those things that looks expensive on
> paper, but once you get some hands on time with it you'll be hooked
> and see the value.  I too was debating getting the more expensive UW
> version, but once it arrived, I realized I would have payed twice as
> much for those new functions.
> 
> On 3/27/06, les_chupacabra <john.potter@...> wrote:
> > Aside from the fact that it frees you from a computer - what are 
the
> > advantages of the MD-UW vs. a standard MD using MIDI machines to
> > control Abelton Live?  Abelton is designed from the ground up for 
live
> > performances so it seems the two would be extremely complementary.
> > Play live guitar, a record, a cd, etc. into Live and trigger them 
via
> > the MD?
> >
> > I'm keeping an open mind and I know there are users strongly in 
both
> > camps but it seems to me that $500 spent on Live (providing you 
already
> > have a computer and audio/midi interface) would be better spent 
than
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> > Is there anything obvious I'm overlooking?
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> > Thanks!
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Re: [elektron] Serious Question - MD-UW vs. MD + Live

2006-03-27 by Tarekith

I would guess that Live would be better suited for what you are trying
to do then.  Remember, the UW only gives you 2048kb, or 2MB to play
with.  That's not much time when you're talking about using longer
texture samples and such.

On 3/27/06, les_chupacabra <ceterisparibus@...> wrote:
> Thanks for the response Tarekith.  I was hoping you'd chime in - I
> was reading through the archives last night and saw you were using
> Live + the MDUW.  I listened to some of your mixes as well - very
> nice!
>
> My intent is probably less spontaneous than yours - create some
> texture in something like CSound, record a little guitar, maybe play
> with warp markers to change the feel a bit - develop a little library
> and then choose the appropriate sample after the fact... and
> actually, probably route it back into Live, play around in there w/
> copy/paste/etc, and then save back to disk.  More a multi-track
> recording scenario then on the fly DJing.
>
> Thanks for your comment.


--
Tarekith
http://www.tarekith.com

Re: [elektron] Serious Question - MD-UW vs. MD + Live

2006-03-27 by les_chupacabra

Thanks.  That's kind of along the lines of what I was thinking.  It 
would be nice to have both - one for on the run/completely 
standalone and the other for when you feel like being tethered but 
sometimes we have to make compromises ;)

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Tarekith <Tarekith@...> wrote:
>
> I would guess that Live would be better suited for what you are 
trying
> to do then.  Remember, the UW only gives you 2048kb, or 2MB to play
> with.  That's not much time when you're talking about using longer
> texture samples and such.
> 
> On 3/27/06, les_chupacabra <ceterisparibus@...> wrote:
> > Thanks for the response Tarekith.  I was hoping you'd chime in - 
I
> > was reading through the archives last night and saw you were 
using
> > Live + the MDUW.  I listened to some of your mixes as well - very
> > nice!
> >
> > My intent is probably less spontaneous than yours - create some
> > texture in something like CSound, record a little guitar, maybe 
play
> > with warp markers to change the feel a bit - develop a little 
library
> > and then choose the appropriate sample after the fact... and
> > actually, probably route it back into Live, play around in there 
w/
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> > copy/paste/etc, and then save back to disk.  More a multi-track
> > recording scenario then on the fly DJing.
> >
> > Thanks for your comment.
> 
> 
> --
> Tarekith
> http://www.tarekith.com
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Re: [elektron] Serious Question - MD-UW vs. MD + Live

2006-03-28 by Chris Mitchell

You're right about this, imo.  I've got a UW and am also about 100%  
in Live these days for software.  The sequencer itself is identical  
between the two devices.  I don't use it to control Live, however, I  
am just confirming that there would be no difference when it comes to  
midi triggering.   On the other hand, you could run the output of  
Live back through the UW RAM inputs and reprocess it if you were so  
inclined.

Also, parameter locks are not really true midi CC's, as far as I  
remember.  They are internal to the sequencer.  The concept seems  
simple but once you feel them in action they're pretty wicked.  i am  
not familiar with the sequencers on the quasimidi, etc, that  you  
mentioned so I cannot make a comparison.  Essentially you can just  
hold down an event button and dial in a setting for that trigger  
using the knobs, based obviously on what settings page is up.
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On Mar 27, 2006, at 9:37 AM, les_chupacabra wrote:

> Aside from the fact that it frees you from a computer - what are the
> advantages of the MD-UW vs. a standard MD using MIDI machines to
> control Abelton Live?  Abelton is designed from the ground up for live
> performances so it seems the two would be extremely complementary.
> Play live guitar, a record, a cd, etc. into Live and trigger them via
> the MD?
>
> I'm keeping an open mind and I know there are users strongly in both
> camps but it seems to me that $500 spent on Live (providing you  
> already
> have a computer and audio/midi interface) would be better spent than
> the extra $400 on the UW option.
>
> Is there anything obvious I'm overlooking?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [elektron] Serious Question - MD-UW vs. MD + Live

2006-03-28 by Chris Mitchell

Thank you, chrism, for answering a question that Tarekith responded  
to 8 hours ago.  Way to go, moron.

chrism
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On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:21 PM, Chris Mitchell wrote:

> You're right about this, imo.  I've got a UW and am also about 100%
> in Live these days for software.  The sequencer itself is identical
> between the two devices.  I don't use it to control Live, however, I
> am just confirming that there would be no difference when it comes to
> midi triggering.   On the other hand, you could run the output of
> Live back through the UW RAM inputs and reprocess it if you were so
> inclined.
>
> Also, parameter locks are not really true midi CC's, as far as I
> remember.  They are internal to the sequencer.  The concept seems
> simple but once you feel them in action they're pretty wicked.  i am
> not familiar with the sequencers on the quasimidi, etc, that  you
> mentioned so I cannot make a comparison.  Essentially you can just
> hold down an event button and dial in a setting for that trigger
> using the knobs, based obviously on what settings page is up.
> On Mar 27, 2006, at 9:37 AM, les_chupacabra wrote:
>
>> Aside from the fact that it frees you from a computer - what are the
>> advantages of the MD-UW vs. a standard MD using MIDI machines to
>> control Abelton Live?  Abelton is designed from the ground up for  
>> live
>> performances so it seems the two would be extremely complementary.
>> Play live guitar, a record, a cd, etc. into Live and trigger them via
>> the MD?
>>
>> I'm keeping an open mind and I know there are users strongly in both
>> camps but it seems to me that $500 spent on Live (providing you
>> already
>> have a computer and audio/midi interface) would be better spent than
>> the extra $400 on the UW option.
>>
>> Is there anything obvious I'm overlooking?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: [elektron] Serious Question - MD-UW vs. MD + Live

2006-03-28 by les_chupacabra

:) - No that's OK, gives me a little more to think about.

I've been away from drum machines and synths for - I don't know - 4
years ago now, and I'm sitting here playing around w/ the Live 5 Demo.
 I'm thinking about my last venture into all this and remembering how
much more I enjoyed hands on interaction and thinking the UW might be
cool for travelling, bringing over to friends houses, etc.

Maybe I don't need to make compromises - and Elektron stuff holds its
value better than the rest of the lot (if I recall, I traded my mint
SID Station for a mint FutureRetro 777 so kind of ended up making a
little money on the deal).

Still going to search the archives for UW + Electribe ES-1.

I've got a couple weeks before I have the $$ so the decision can wait.

Thanks!

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Chris Mitchell <chrism@...> wrote:
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>
> Thank you, chrism, for answering a question that Tarekith responded  
> to 8 hours ago.  Way to go, moron.
> 
> chrism
> On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:21 PM, Chris Mitchell wrote:
> 
> > You're right about this, imo.  I've got a UW and am also about 100%
> > in Live these days for software.  The sequencer itself is identical
> > between the two devices.  I don't use it to control Live, however, I
> > am just confirming that there would be no difference when it comes to
> > midi triggering.   On the other hand, you could run the output of
> > Live back through the UW RAM inputs and reprocess it if you were so
> > inclined.
> >
> > Also, parameter locks are not really true midi CC's, as far as I
> > remember.  They are internal to the sequencer.  The concept seems
> > simple but once you feel them in action they're pretty wicked.  i am
> > not familiar with the sequencers on the quasimidi, etc, that  you
> > mentioned so I cannot make a comparison.  Essentially you can just
> > hold down an event button and dial in a setting for that trigger
> > using the knobs, based obviously on what settings page is up.
> > On Mar 27, 2006, at 9:37 AM, les_chupacabra wrote:
> >
> >> Aside from the fact that it frees you from a computer - what are the
> >> advantages of the MD-UW vs. a standard MD using MIDI machines to
> >> control Abelton Live?  Abelton is designed from the ground up for  
> >> live
> >> performances so it seems the two would be extremely complementary.
> >> Play live guitar, a record, a cd, etc. into Live and trigger them via
> >> the MD?
> >>
> >> I'm keeping an open mind and I know there are users strongly in both
> >> camps but it seems to me that $500 spent on Live (providing you
> >> already
> >> have a computer and audio/midi interface) would be better spent than
> >> the extra $400 on the UW option.
> >>
> >> Is there anything obvious I'm overlooking?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: [elektron] Serious Question - MD-UW vs. MD + Live

2006-03-28 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

Hey! No self flaming allowed! :)
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chris Mitchell 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 9:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] Serious Question - MD-UW vs. MD + Live


  Thank you, chrism, for answering a question that Tarekith responded  
  to 8 hours ago.  Way to go, moron.

  chrism
  On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:21 PM, Chris Mitchell wrote:

  > You're right about this, imo.  I've got a UW and am also about 100%
  > in Live these days for software.  The sequencer itself is identical
  > between the two devices.  I don't use it to control Live, however, I
  > am just confirming that there would be no difference when it comes to
  > midi triggering.   On the other hand, you could run the output of
  > Live back through the UW RAM inputs and reprocess it if you were so
  > inclined.
  >
  > Also, parameter locks are not really true midi CC's, as far as I
  > remember.  They are internal to the sequencer.  The concept seems
  > simple but once you feel them in action they're pretty wicked.  i am
  > not familiar with the sequencers on the quasimidi, etc, that  you
  > mentioned so I cannot make a comparison.  Essentially you can just
  > hold down an event button and dial in a setting for that trigger
  > using the knobs, based obviously on what settings page is up.
  > On Mar 27, 2006, at 9:37 AM, les_chupacabra wrote:
  >
  >> Aside from the fact that it frees you from a computer - what are the
  >> advantages of the MD-UW vs. a standard MD using MIDI machines to
  >> control Abelton Live?  Abelton is designed from the ground up for  
  >> live
  >> performances so it seems the two would be extremely complementary.
  >> Play live guitar, a record, a cd, etc. into Live and trigger them via
  >> the MD?
  >>
  >> I'm keeping an open mind and I know there are users strongly in both
  >> camps but it seems to me that $500 spent on Live (providing you
  >> already
  >> have a computer and audio/midi interface) would be better spent than
  >> the extra $400 on the UW option.
  >>
  >> Is there anything obvious I'm overlooking?
  >>
  >> Thanks!
  >>
  >>
  >>
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Re: [elektron] Serious Question - MD-UW vs. MD + Live

2006-03-28 by Chris Stammen

Damn,
I traded my mint sidstation for a mint MS2000,
Not quite a good deal either (financially),
but it made me love the MS2k and now I've got two of those. --
Anyways, I've got a machinedrum-UW nowadays.. and this piece is staying 
here! :) -

Here's a little movie of me doing some live stuff with the UW and the 
two MS2k's,
Also, a microkorg is used as the main basssound. Made it yesterday..

The MPC is turned on, but there's no sound coming from it.

http://members.home.nl/cosmiq/mpg.mpg

-cosmiq chris











les_chupacabra wrote:
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> :) - No that's OK, gives me a little more to think about.
>
> I've been away from drum machines and synths for - I don't know - 4
> years ago now, and I'm sitting here playing around w/ the Live 5 Demo.
> I'm thinking about my last venture into all this and remembering how
> much more I enjoyed hands on interaction and thinking the UW might be
> cool for travelling, bringing over to friends houses, etc.
>
> Maybe I don't need to make compromises - and Elektron stuff holds its
> value better than the rest of the lot (if I recall, I traded my mint
> SID Station for a mint FutureRetro 777 so kind of ended up making a
> little money on the deal).
>
> Still going to search the archives for UW + Electribe ES-1.
>
> I've got a couple weeks before I have the $$ so the decision can wait.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Chris Mitchell <chrism@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you, chrism, for answering a question that Tarekith responded 
> > to 8 hours ago.  Way to go, moron.
> >
> > chrism
> > On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:21 PM, Chris Mitchell wrote:
> >
> > > You're right about this, imo.  I've got a UW and am also about 100%
> > > in Live these days for software.  The sequencer itself is identical
> > > between the two devices.  I don't use it to control Live, however, I
> > > am just confirming that there would be no difference when it comes to
> > > midi triggering.   On the other hand, you could run the output of
> > > Live back through the UW RAM inputs and reprocess it if you were so
> > > inclined.
> > >
> > > Also, parameter locks are not really true midi CC's, as far as I
> > > remember.  They are internal to the sequencer.  The concept seems
> > > simple but once you feel them in action they're pretty wicked.  i am
> > > not familiar with the sequencers on the quasimidi, etc, that  you
> > > mentioned so I cannot make a comparison.  Essentially you can just
> > > hold down an event button and dial in a setting for that trigger
> > > using the knobs, based obviously on what settings page is up.
> > > On Mar 27, 2006, at 9:37 AM, les_chupacabra wrote:
> > >
> > >> Aside from the fact that it frees you from a computer - what are the
> > >> advantages of the MD-UW vs. a standard MD using MIDI machines to
> > >> control Abelton Live?  Abelton is designed from the ground up for 
> > >> live
> > >> performances so it seems the two would be extremely complementary.
> > >> Play live guitar, a record, a cd, etc. into Live and trigger them via
> > >> the MD?
> > >>
> > >> I'm keeping an open mind and I know there are users strongly in both
> > >> camps but it seems to me that $500 spent on Live (providing you
> > >> already
> > >> have a computer and audio/midi interface) would be better spent than
> > >> the extra $400 on the UW option.
> > >>
> > >> Is there anything obvious I'm overlooking?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks!
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