Elektron Musical Instruments

Hello!!

This is my first post, and i want to thanks you all for the usefull 
help that you give to each others. I hope someday i will help too, 
although my bad english!

But now, i need to ask know something:

I�ve MD and MNM, and i adore both, but i�m really confused and 
surprised about parameter locks. Like Elektron say in the manuals, 
the par. locks are a really powerfull instrument to acceed a new 
dimansion of sound building, and they are right!!!

But, how can we use they, if we can�t send it via MIDI???

I like to  build a pattern, and then to play with mutes to build a 
song. I use for that the MD or MNM sequencer, but at last, to 
finalice the song structure, or to make final corrections, it would 
be great to do that in cubase (or other) sequencer.

And I can, but then when i reproduce the midi-traks-recorded-in-
cubase to the elektrons, they (like anounced) don�t play the 
parameter locks.

I think this would be essential too for record each track 
individually, what is needed to make a final good mix.

To make that (record each track individually, with par. locks), we 
need to play from the elektrons sequencer, so if we want to build a 
song with (for example) mute-variations, we MUST use the mode-song 
first. 

It�s all that right?, or there is another configuration i�ve not 
discover? how du you solve this limitation with parameter locks? Do 
the TURBO MIDI from Elektron solve that?

THOUSEND THANKS!!!!

Hello!!

This is my first post, and i want to thanks you all for the usefull 
help that you give to each others. I hope someday i will help too, 
although my bad english!

But now, i need to ask know something:

I�ve MD and MNM, and i adore both, but i�m really confused and 
surprised about parameter locks. Like Elektron say in the manuals, 
the par. locks are a really powerfull instrument to acceed a new 
dimansion of sound building, and they are right!!!

But, how can we use they, if we can�t send it via MIDI???

I like to  build a pattern, and then to play with mutes to build a 
song. I use for that the MD or MNM sequencer, but at last, to 
finalice the song structure, or to make final corrections, it would 
be great to do that in cubase (or other) sequencer.

And I can, but then when i reproduce the midi-traks-recorded-in-
cubase to the elektrons, they (like anounced) don�t play the 
parameter locks.

I think this would be essential too for record each track 
individually, what is needed to make a final good mix.

To make that (record each track individually, with par. locks), we 
need to play from the elektrons sequencer, so if we want to build a 
song with (for example) mute-variations, we MUST use the mode-song 
first. 

It�s all that right?, or there is another configuration i�ve not 
discover? how du you solve this limitation with parameter locks? Do 
the TURBO MIDI from Elektron solve that?

THOUSEND THANKS!!!!

> It\ufffds all that right?, or there is another configuration i\ufffdve not 
> discover? how du you solve this limitation with parameter locks? Do 
> the TURBO MIDI from Elektron solve that?
> 
> THOUSEND THANKS!!!! 
> 


There is not another config that will allow you to do this and it pretty 
much will not happen with this version of hardware.  Turbo Midi will not 
solve that issue.

I record my patterns of each instrument into live and assemble my songs 
in there.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Robert Krueger <rkr1@...> 
wrote:
> There is not another config that will allow you to do this and it 
pretty 
> much will not happen with this version of hardware.  Turbo Midi 
will not 
> solve that issue.
> 
> I record my patterns of each instrument into live and assemble my 
songs 
> in there.
>


OK, thanks.

And how do you record? I supose in this way you must mute the 
instruments you are not recording, or do you use different outputs?

I mount a song in the machimes, and then i play it in song-mode, 
muting all tracks/instrument, except the one i´m recording. I do that 
for each one.

There is another way?

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Robert Krueger <rkr1@...> 
wrote:
>
> 
> > It´s all that right?, or there is another configuration i´ve not 
> > discover? how du you solve this limitation with parameter locks? 
Do 
> > the TURBO MIDI from Elektron solve that?
> > 
> > THOUSEND THANKS!!!! 
> > 
> 
> 
> There is not another config that will allow you to do this and it 
pretty 
> much will not happen with this version of hardware.  Turbo Midi 
will not 
> solve that issue.
> 
> I record my patterns of each instrument into live and assemble my 
songs 
> in there.
>


So i suppose that you work direct in audio.

You make a pattern and play it, or built a song in "song-mode".

But how do you record it, the six instrumments (or 16, in MD) in the 
same track?

Or do you use the six outs of the MNM, loosing in this way the stereo 
image?

Like you can see, i´m a little lost. I´ve no idea how the MNM will 
better go with a external sequencer, to record the songs

Thanks

So I'm trying out using the MD as my main sequencer and it's playing  
my Evolver and my Voyager like a dream..

Only thing is I can't work out how to send program change messages to  
these, I assume it's specific to the device your trying to control..  
Does the Evolver only accept sysex for this or can the MD even send  
sysex?

Bit confused....

If anyone has a similar setup or can help I most appreciate it!

Cheers!

hello,

it works well with my machinedrum and my monomachine, check your both 
manuals... and it will works to.

cheers





--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Luke Sanger <lukesanger@...> 
wrote:
>
> So I'm trying out using the MD as my main sequencer and it's 
playing  
> my Evolver and my Voyager like a dream..
> 
> Only thing is I can't work out how to send program change messages 
to  
> these, I assume it's specific to the device your trying to 
control..  
> Does the Evolver only accept sysex for this or can the MD even 
send  

> sysex?
> 
> Bit confused....
> 
> If anyone has a similar setup or can help I most appreciate it!
> 
> Cheers!
>

I think you need the updated os on the evolver to receive normal program
change. If you don't have it you need to change the chip inside.
I never bothered as I've never needed to use it yet, but would def be handy.
Otherwise  i don't think the md can send sysex
thomas

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> Does the Evolver only accept sysex for this or can 
> the MD even send sysex?

I have the same setup. AFAIK the evolver understands
standard MIDI messages for program changes. I can
change Evolver's program from any software sequencers
(Cubase, Fruity Studio, Ableton Live).
I'm not sure whether the MD can send program changes
via MIDI...

cheers
Nico


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> So i suppose that you work direct in audio.
> 
> You make a pattern and play it, or built a song in "song-mode".
> 
> But how do you record it, the six instrumments (or 16, in MD) in the 
> same track?
> 
> Or do you use the six outs of the MNM, loosing in this way the stereo 
> image?
> 
> Like you can see, i\ufffdm a little lost. I\ufffdve no idea how the MNM will 
> better go with a external sequencer, to record the songs
> 
> Thanks

Ah, yes, I was speaking of the MD, not MnM, but it can still apply here.

Yes, I work in direct audio.  I don't have a solution for the method you 
desire to record in, I was merely explaining my method as I approach it. 
  I'll create a pattern or several patterns.  Then I solo each part and 
capture that as audio in Ableton Live. A new track for each part over 
the same bar range.

Then I go in and edit, slice, paste, etc other variants, apply 
treatments to tracks or individual hits.  I can easily mute or unmute 
tracks, patterns, etc, just like you would on the MnM, but instead I'm 
using a hardware midi controller to mute and unmute the individual parts 
in the Live sequencer.

Live actually makes this very easy to work in this manner and quickly.
Record each sound individually for each pattern on a track, and play 
your mute/unmute on those channel tracks in your Seq of choice.