Elektron Musical Instruments

I finally just got my new machinedrum uw (from factory direct)and 
after what seemed like a long wait,i am dissapointed, as it is 
defective. First of all, one of the drum buttons has some sort of 
hang up or catching problem which prevents it from functioning as 
smoothly as the other buttons. 
The other problem is that when i try to play the drum buttons 
rhythmically to record a beat into live recording, they randomly will 
double trigger the drum sounds(problem happens with all buttons). 
This throws off the beat and is completely unacceptable for a $1700 
drum machine! I read a couple posts from 2004 where someone asked 
about the same issue. Somebody replied saying that it is basically 
normal. I have to disagree with that. In all my experience with 
hardware, it is NOT normal. Also, it is not any kind of a "bounce" 
that is happening. When the problem occurs, what actually happens is 
that when the button is pressed down, it triggers once. Then, when it 
is let up, it triggers again. I once had an older roland drum machine 
with the exact same problem, but my friend who had the exact same 
drum machine did not have this problem. I replaced all the tactile 
buttons on that drum machine with replacements from the factory and 
still had the exact same problem. That whole experience made me 
realize that it had to be an electronic problem instead of a 
mechanical problem.

What i really need now, is for some people to PLEASE help me out by 
playing about 12 meassures(or more)at different speeds of a beat 
manually on your machinedrum and tell me if you have any double 
triggering happening. I really need to find out if this is normal 
behaviour in the machinedrum, or if i got a bad one. I do not want to 
settle for a unit that may have worse problems in the future. I have 
had a LOT of bad luck with buying hardware in the past. I am almost 
ready to completely go the software/midi controller route. I mean, 
$1700 is ALOT of money for something like a machinedrum, and it 
should be a solid piece of gear. I just can not believe how they 
seemed to have cut corners on the knobs and buttons(in a way, those 
should be the most high quality parts on the machine, as they are 
actually "USED" the most! The reason a person would spend so much on 
just a drum machine, is for the HARDWARE interface. Thanks for your 
time.

Sorry to hear about your issues, that's a real bummer for sure.  I for
one do not have this double triggering issue, so it's likely an issue
with yours alone.  I'd contact Elektron, they will definitely take
care of you in a hurry if this is their fault.

On 05/01/2008, blixa02 <197113@...> wrote:
> I finally just got my new machinedrum uw (from factory direct)and
> after what seemed like a long wait,i am dissapointed, as it is
> defective. First of all, one of the drum buttons has some sort of
> hang up or catching problem which prevents it from functioning as
> smoothly as the other buttons.

-- 
Tarekith
http://tarekith.com

Does it do this with nothing hooked up to it at all?  no MIDI input
our output?

My first immediate thought was that you may have a MIDI loop sending
notes back to the MD from the external source.

Tony

On Jan 5, 2008 11:35 AM, blixa02 <197113@...> wrote:
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> I finally just got my new machinedrum uw (from factory direct)and
> after what seemed like a long wait,i am dissapointed, as it is
> defective. First of all, one of the drum buttons has some sort of
> hang up or catching problem which prevents it from functioning as
> smoothly as the other buttons.
> The other problem is that when i try to play the drum buttons
> rhythmically to record a beat into live recording, they randomly will
> double trigger the drum sounds(problem happens with all buttons).
> This throws off the beat and is completely unacceptable for a $1700
> drum machine! I read a couple posts from 2004 where someone asked
> about the same issue. Somebody replied saying that it is basically
> normal. I have to disagree with that. In all my experience with
> hardware, it is NOT normal. Also, it is not any kind of a "bounce"
> that is happening. When the problem occurs, what actually happens is
> that when the button is pressed down, it triggers once. Then, when it
> is let up, it triggers again. I once had an older roland drum machine
> with the exact same problem, but my friend who had the exact same
> drum machine did not have this problem. I replaced all the tactile
> buttons on that drum machine with replacements from the factory and
> still had the exact same problem. That whole experience made me
> realize that it had to be an electronic problem instead of a
> mechanical problem.
>
> What i really need now, is for some people to PLEASE help me out by
> playing about 12 meassures(or more)at different speeds of a beat
> manually on your machinedrum and tell me if you have any double
> triggering happening. I really need to find out if this is normal
> behaviour in the machinedrum, or if i got a bad one. I do not want to
> settle for a unit that may have worse problems in the future. I have
> had a LOT of bad luck with buying hardware in the past. I am almost
> ready to completely go the software/midi controller route. I mean,
> $1700 is ALOT of money for something like a machinedrum, and it
> should be a solid piece of gear. I just can not believe how they
> seemed to have cut corners on the knobs and buttons(in a way, those
> should be the most high quality parts on the machine, as they are
> actually "USED" the most! The reason a person would spend so much on
> just a drum machine, is for the HARDWARE interface. Thanks for your
> time.
>
>

Hey blixa02,

On Jan 5, 2008, at 6:35 PM, blixa02 wrote:
> I finally just got my new machinedrum uw (from factory direct)and
> after what seemed like a long wait,i am dissapointed, as it is
> defective. First of all, one of the drum buttons has some sort of
> hang up or catching problem which prevents it from functioning as
> smoothly as the other buttons.
>

Ihave this issue as well, it's a mechanical problem called "bouncing",  
which can be corrected in software. I don't play live on the  
machinedrum though, so I don't really bother. It seems it has got  
worse with the 1.50d upgrade. Definitely try contacting elektron  
support.

Regards, Manuel
>


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Don't really "play" the pads that often, but sometimes (rather rare), 
when adjusting locks, the button can double trig, making the step turn 
off instead. All in all I must say that the quality of the neither the 
knobs nor the buttons really feel reassuring, although I have no big 
real issues, just the feeling...

/Patrik

Thanks for the quick responses. As far as the midi loop goes, no i have 
this issue with nothing connected to midi at all, so it's not that. 
It sucks, the more i play with this thing, the more i really do not 
want to have to send it back.....I do however feel that i will have to 
because that kind of money takes me a LONG time to save up. I just hope 
they will have another one(without defects) to exchange soon. 
I have also noticed that the scale led's and the 
synthesis/effects/routing led's randomly change on their own sometimes.
I don't know if that's normal either....
Anyone else get the double triggering when tapping out beats?

Thanks for your replies. As far as it being a midi loop issue, i do not 
have anything connected to midi, so it's not that. I guess i am going 
to have to request an exchange and i hopefully will not have problems 
with the new one. I really love the machinedrum. I think it sounds 
great!

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "blixa02" <197113@...> wrote:
>
> I finally just got my new machinedrum uw (from factory direct)and 
> after what seemed like a long wait,i am dissapointed, as it is 
> defective. First of all, one of the drum buttons has some sort of 
> hang up or catching problem which prevents it from functioning as 
> smoothly as the other buttons. 
> The other problem is that when i try to play the drum buttons 
> rhythmically to record a beat into live recording, they randomly will 
> double trigger the drum sounds(problem happens with all buttons). 
> This throws off the beat and is completely unacceptable for a $1700 
> drum machine! I read a couple posts from 2004 where someone asked 
> about the same issue. Somebody replied saying that it is basically 
> normal. I have to disagree with that. In all my experience with 
> hardware, it is NOT normal. Also, it is not any kind of a "bounce" 
> that is happening. When the problem occurs, what actually happens is 
> that when the button is pressed down, it triggers once. Then, when it 
> is let up, it triggers again. I once had an older roland drum machine 
> with the exact same problem, but my friend who had the exact same 
> drum machine did not have this problem. I replaced all the tactile 
> buttons on that drum machine with replacements from the factory and 
> still had the exact same problem. That whole experience made me 
> realize that it had to be an electronic problem instead of a 
> mechanical problem.
> 
> What i really need now, is for some people to PLEASE help me out by 
> playing about 12 meassures(or more)at different speeds of a beat 
> manually on your machinedrum and tell me if you have any double 
> triggering happening. I really need to find out if this is normal 
> behaviour in the machinedrum, or if i got a bad one. I do not want to 
> settle for a unit that may have worse problems in the future. I have 
> had a LOT of bad luck with buying hardware in the past. I am almost 
> ready to completely go the software/midi controller route. I mean, 
> $1700 is ALOT of money for something like a machinedrum, and it 
> should be a solid piece of gear. I just can not believe how they 
> seemed to have cut corners on the knobs and buttons(in a way, those 
> should be the most high quality parts on the machine, as they are 
> actually "USED" the most! The reason a person would spend so much on 
> just a drum machine, is for the HARDWARE interface. Thanks for your 
> time.


Just found out my MD has the exact same problem (double trgg) sine I
updated to 1.50e , along with some other issues. I'm getting the
feeling this update (1.50e) is a mess....
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I've experienced that double trigger thing.  I never though of bringing
the issue up as it never affected me, although I do find it annoying...
but I sort of brushed it off as thinking my fingers are too fast, LOL.


roby
http://www.sweet-trip.net
http://www.myspace.com/sweettrip
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> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "blixa02" <197113@...> wrote:
>>
>> I finally just got my new machinedrum uw (from factory direct)and
>> after what seemed like a long wait,i am dissapointed, as it is
>> defective. First of all, one of the drum buttons has some sort of
>> hang up or catching problem which prevents it from functioning as
>> smoothly as the other buttons.
>> The other problem is that when i try to play the drum buttons
>> rhythmically to record a beat into live recording, they randomly will
>> double trigger the drum sounds(problem happens with all buttons).
>> This throws off the beat and is completely unacceptable for a $1700
>> drum machine! I read a couple posts from 2004 where someone asked
>> about the same issue. Somebody replied saying that it is basically
>> normal. I have to disagree with that. In all my experience with
>> hardware, it is NOT normal. Also, it is not any kind of a "bounce"
>> that is happening. When the problem occurs, what actually happens is
>> that when the button is pressed down, it triggers once. Then, when it
>> is let up, it triggers again. I once had an older roland drum machine
>> with the exact same problem, but my friend who had the exact same
>> drum machine did not have this problem. I replaced all the tactile
>> buttons on that drum machine with replacements from the factory and
>> still had the exact same problem. That whole experience made me
>> realize that it had to be an electronic problem instead of a
>> mechanical problem.
>>
>> What i really need now, is for some people to PLEASE help me out by
>> playing about 12 meassures(or more)at different speeds of a beat
>> manually on your machinedrum and tell me if you have any double
>> triggering happening. I really need to find out if this is normal
>> behaviour in the machinedrum, or if i got a bad one. I do not want to
>> settle for a unit that may have worse problems in the future. I have
>> had a LOT of bad luck with buying hardware in the past. I am almost
>> ready to completely go the software/midi controller route. I mean,
>> $1700 is ALOT of money for something like a machinedrum, and it
>> should be a solid piece of gear. I just can not believe how they
>> seemed to have cut corners on the knobs and buttons(in a way, those
>> should be the most high quality parts on the machine, as they are
>> actually "USED" the most! The reason a person would spend so much on
>> just a drum machine, is for the HARDWARE interface. Thanks for your
>> time.
>
>
> Just found out my MD has the exact same problem (double trgg) sine I
> updated to 1.50e , along with some other issues. I'm getting the
> feeling this update (1.50e) is a mess....
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