Elektron Musical Instruments

well, its not much a song, really a production exercise using my 
sidstation the c=64 ive had for 15 years, a bent speak and spell, and 
a synthi aks -suitcase version-

sorry the song doesnt have much structure, but i was just trying a 
bunch of new things.  hip-hop noise... boo yaahhhhhhhxxxxxggg

denshi

hey denshi, it´s sunday morning here and i´m just awake now after your 
crazy song ;-) keep freakin!

--- In elektron-users@e..., denshiblocks@y... wrote:
> well, its not much a song, really a production exercise using my 
> sidstation the c=64 ive had for 15 years, a bent speak and spell, 
and 

> a synthi aks -suitcase version-
> 
> sorry the song doesnt have much structure, but i was just trying a 
> bunch of new things.  hip-hop noise... boo yaahhhhhhhxxxxxggg
> 
> denshi

Hello!

Can anyone tell me, what\ufffds the reason for the random timing of the
Sidstation when a midi-note is triggered?

e.g. you can almost forget to make fast sequences,
because every note is a bit behind.
But not all later the same amount of time.
Hmmm, is this a characteristic of the Sid-Chip?

Splank!

Here is the continuing live-experience Story part 3:

1. The "Sound Selection" LEDS
I have a problem. I love those blinking LEDs. But I found that when you have
a very full Sequence where every track is triggered and everything is
blinking wild, you can\ufffdt really see which track you\ufffdre editing at the
moment. In the studio that\ufffds not a problem. It\ufffds another live-thing. I had
to look 10 seconds to know where the not blinking LED is. You might think I
am stupid, hehe. But it\ufffds the truth. So, what is the other solution? Having
just a non blinking LED on the track you\ufffdre editing, and make those blinking
ones disappear? It would be better, but then the nice blinking ones wouldn\ufffdt
be there anymore.

2. The Sound.
I was using the main L/R outs only until now. Well, but when you play live,
you have a different Soundsystem all the time. So you need to react fast if
the Bassdrum is a Klickdrum, not a Bassdrum or the hihats are  not as loud
as on your monitors at home. Or you need a long soundcheck. So...I will use
the single outs the next time to be able to react faster with mixer-changes.

Splank!

Yeah, this is a well-known issue with the SID chip... I can't remember the
exact reason.. maybe something to do with the envelope.

My solution: I use Cakewalk (a very OLD version), and for each track, you
can specify a time shift.  So, on the sidstation track, I do a shift of -2
to -5 and it then triggers the Sidstation slightly early, and so all the
notes end up on time! :)

Shawn Mativetsky aka nanostepper
http://www.nanostepper.com
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low-tech music for hi-tech people

-----Original Message-----
From: splank! [mailto:splank@...]
Sent: August 12, 2001 9:45 PM
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [elektron] SidStation timing


Hello!

Can anyone tell me, what\ufffds the reason for the random timing of the
Sidstation when a midi-note is triggered?

e.g. you can almost forget to make fast sequences,
because every note is a bit behind.
But not all later the same amount of time.
Hmmm, is this a characteristic of the Sid-Chip?

Splank!




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splank!

Yet more good ideas... I hope Elektron is listening. I sent them a
direct email with some of the good ideas people have come up with here,
no response yet though. 

I was also thinking of a mode where an edit page could be arranged so
that all eight edit knobs could be assigned to any parameter of any
sound.  So say you could create a page that has decay for the bass drum,
pitch for some other sound, reverb send for another, etc.  Then there's
no flipping through the pages and sounds to get to the parameters you
want.

Also, there is currently no way to unlock a single parameter from a step
that has a bunch of parameter locks...  seems like there should be a way
to do this without clearing out all the parameter locks.

cheers
ripe

on 8/12/01 10:33 PM, Shawn Mativetsky at shawn@... wrote:

> Yeah, this is a well-known issue with the SID chip... I can't remember the
> exact reason.. maybe something to do with the envelope.
> 
> My solution: I use Cakewalk (a very OLD version), and for each track, you
> can specify a time shift.  So, on the sidstation track, I do a shift of -2
> to -5 and it then triggers the Sidstation slightly early, and so all the
> notes end up on time! :)
> 
> Shawn Mativetsky aka nanostepper
> http://www.nanostepper.com

    I thought there was a parameter on the SID that addressed this issue.
Isn't it called "HCut" or something? I cant remember right now.
    I was triggering my Sid from a Mobius sequencer the other day and some
presets I noticed were more responsive than others. I messed around with the
settings and got everything to sound pretty much on the beat.

                    Inform3r
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You can set that parameter to 0, but it still sometimes isn't totally in
time I find... the sequencer gives me more control I guess.

Shawn Mativetsky aka nanostepper
http://www.nanostepper.com
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http://www.noisemusic.org
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low-tech music for hi-tech people

-----Original Message-----
From: Inform3r [mailto:inform3r@...]
Sent: August 13, 2001 12:35 AM
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [elektron] SidStation timing


on 8/12/01 10:33 PM, Shawn Mativetsky at shawn@... wrote:

> Yeah, this is a well-known issue with the SID chip... I can't remember the
> exact reason.. maybe something to do with the envelope.
>
> My solution: I use Cakewalk (a very OLD version), and for each track, you
> can specify a time shift.  So, on the sidstation track, I do a shift of -2
> to -5 and it then triggers the Sidstation slightly early, and so all the
> notes end up on time! :)
>
> Shawn Mativetsky aka nanostepper
> http://www.nanostepper.com

    I thought there was a parameter on the SID that addressed this issue.
Isn't it called "HCut" or something? I cant remember right now.
    I was triggering my Sid from a Mobius sequencer the other day and some
presets I noticed were more responsive than others. I messed around with the
settings and got everything to sound pretty much on the beat.

                    Inform3r
-----------
http://www.inform3r.com





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>
>
>Can anyone tell me, what´s the reason for the random timing of the
>Sidstation when a midi-note is triggered?
>
Typcally SID chip.
You can improve the timing with Hcut, but it doesn't fix all the timing 
problems yet, especially if you're also doing filter sweeps etc in the 
meantime.

-- 
Joeri Vankeirsbilck
joeri@...

Belway Productions      -     http://www.belway.com
List-admin   Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM

> 1. The "Sound Selection" LEDS
> I have a problem. I love those blinking LEDs. But I found that when you have
> a very full Sequence where every track is triggered and everything is
> blinking wild, you can\ufffdt really see which track you\ufffdre editing at the
> moment. In the studio that\ufffds not a problem. It\ufffds another live-thing. I had
> to look 10 seconds to know where the not blinking LED is. You might think I

multi-color LED's!

-N

Well, that\ufffds a future thing...
Maybe the blinking ones could be made a bit darker.
But guess LEDs have just one Level of brightness.

-----Original Message-----
From: shifty@... [mailto:shifty@...]
Sent: Montag, August 13, 2001 04:44
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [elektron] MD live 3rd weekend



> 1. The "Sound Selection" LEDS
> I have a problem. I love those blinking LEDs. But I found that when you
have
> a very full Sequence where every track is triggered and everything is
> blinking wild, you can\ufffdt really see which track you\ufffdre editing at the
> moment. In the studio that\ufffds not a problem. It\ufffds another live-thing. I had
> to look 10 seconds to know where the not blinking LED is. You might think
I

multi-color LED's!

-N



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