Elektron Musical Instruments

just curious...when is this thing coming out? sorry..new to the list..so i
apologize if this has already been discussed to death :-)
sam
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From: "Paul J. Furio" <pjf@...>
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:16 PM
Subject: [elektron] SIDed - The SIDStation Editor


> Okay, I'm really working on this now.  I finally have a little time
> to putz with it, so hopefully we'll see something soon.
>
> The bad news is, it doesn't look like the MIDI Sysex Implementation
> Spec allows you to change the Tables (if you use them in a sound)
> without sending a patch update to the SIDStation, which of course
> overwrites the existing patch...
>
> Anyway, these are the things I plan on implementing:
>
> Full SYSEX Dump/Receive Caps with Save/Load ability
> Realtime Update/Send for all controlable Knobs & Params
> SIDStation-like GUI (yellow tipped knobs with actual value overlay
> text)
> Mouse/Keyboard controlable keys (play the SID from the PC)
> Table Editor
>
> Is there anything else people would like to see?  It's going to run
> on the Windows9x/2000/Me/XP Platforms (although I'll need help
> testing on everything but Win98 since that's what I use).  Sorry Mac
> users!  :(
>
> -pjf
>
>
>
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Whoa, I'm extremely excited about seeing some software support for the 
SID!! If you need any testing
help I'd be happy to oblige, other then that I'm sure I'm useless.

Paul J. Furio wrote:

>Okay, I'm really working on this now.  I finally have a little time 
>to putz with it, so hopefully we'll see something soon.
>
>The bad news is, it doesn't look like the MIDI Sysex Implementation 
>Spec allows you to change the Tables (if you use them in a sound) 
>without sending a patch update to the SIDStation, which of course 
>overwrites the existing patch...
>
>Anyway, these are the things I plan on implementing:
>
>Full SYSEX Dump/Receive Caps with Save/Load ability
>Realtime Update/Send for all controlable Knobs & Params
>SIDStation-like GUI (yellow tipped knobs with actual value overlay 
>text)
>Mouse/Keyboard controlable keys (play the SID from the PC)
>Table Editor
>
>Is there anything else people would like to see?  It's going to run 
>on the Windows9x/2000/Me/XP Platforms (although I'll need help 
>testing on everything but Win98 since that's what I use).  Sorry Mac 
>users!  :(
>
>-pjf
>
>
>
> 
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
>
>
>
>

-- 
= jeffy.ky
http://www.lemurgene.com

Isnt there some kind of possibility of using 4-bit samples with the SIDs
oscillators?  Any way you could implement something like that?  Even if it
is only a second or two of sampling time, I bet you could get some really
funkaliscious experimental sounds.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul J. Furio <pjf@...>
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 11:16 PM

Subject: [elektron] SIDed - The SIDStation Editor


>Okay, I'm really working on this now.  I finally have a little time
>to putz with it, so hopefully we'll see something soon.
>
>The bad news is, it doesn't look like the MIDI Sysex Implementation
>Spec allows you to change the Tables (if you use them in a sound)
>without sending a patch update to the SIDStation, which of course
>overwrites the existing patch...
>
>Anyway, these are the things I plan on implementing:
>
>Full SYSEX Dump/Receive Caps with Save/Load ability
>Realtime Update/Send for all controlable Knobs & Params
>SIDStation-like GUI (yellow tipped knobs with actual value overlay
>text)
>Mouse/Keyboard controlable keys (play the SID from the PC)
>Table Editor
>
>Is there anything else people would like to see?  It's going to run
>on the Windows9x/2000/Me/XP Platforms (although I'll need help
>testing on everything but Win98 since that's what I use).  Sorry Mac
>users!  :(
>
>-pjf
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

--- In elektron-users@y..., "Dr. Whammo" <rajajuju@m...> wrote:
> Isnt there some kind of possibility of using 4-bit samples with the 
SIDs
> oscillators?  Any way you could implement something like that?  
Even if it
> is only a second or two of sampling time, I bet you could get some 
really
> funkaliscious experimental sounds.


I don't think the SIDStation has ANY memory, so storing those sounds 
would be problematic.  I'm not even sure you could send the params 
over MIDI fast enough...  An interesting thought though.

For now, I'm just working on an editor.

-pjf

>  Isnt there some kind of possibility of using 4-bit samples with the SIDs
>  oscillators?  Any way you could implement something like that? Even if it
> is only a second or two of sampling time, I bet you could get some really
>  funkaliscious experimental sounds.

Get yourself an SP-808, mate!  it's got a lo-fi effects patch that reduces
the sampling rate and number of bits.  It's a quick way to emulate those SID
and AY-3-2189 Digidrums.  It even lets you enable or disable the aliasing!

btw, does anyone have any idea how the actual programming was done that
let you use 4-bit samples on the C64?  I've seen it done by holding the
oscillators still, and modulating the master volume...but that would only
get you one voice, and I've seen plenty of sidTunes that have 3 instruments
playing along with a sample channel, so there must be a special technique
(andreas?)

-N

They must have been continuously updating the tables in sync with time.

> btw, does anyone have any idea how the actual programming was done that
> let you use 4-bit samples on the C64?  I've seen it done by holding the
> oscillators still, and modulating the master volume...but that would only
> get you one voice, and I've seen plenty of sidTunes that have 3 
> instruments

> btw, does anyone have any idea how the actual programming was done that
> let you use 4-bit samples on the C64?  I've seen it done by holding the
> oscillators still, and modulating the master volume...but that would only
> get you one voice, and I've seen plenty of sidTunes that have 3 instruments
> playing along with a sample channel, so there must be a special technique
> (andreas?)

It's still one channel but the tree voices are mixed into one before playing.

/Björn Fogelberg
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My main project: www.analoguesamples.com
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Well, how about being able to assign a knob to the subtle and elusive
"resonance" parameter?


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul J. Furio <pjf@...>
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 3:08 AM

Subject: Re: [elektron] SIDed - The SIDStation Editor


>--- In elektron-users@y..., "Dr. Whammo" <rajajuju@m...> wrote:
>> Isnt there some kind of possibility of using 4-bit samples with the
>SIDs
>> oscillators?  Any way you could implement something like that?
>Even if it
>> is only a second or two of sampling time, I bet you could get some
>really
>> funkaliscious experimental sounds.
>
>
>I don't think the SIDStation has ANY memory, so storing those sounds
>would be problematic.  I'm not even sure you could send the params
>over MIDI fast enough...  An interesting thought though.
>
>For now, I'm just working on an editor.
>
>-pjf
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

these samples was only done by  modulating the master volume. hehe. thats a 
realy oldshool technique:) the sidstation got no mastervolume control, or am 
i wrong?
it would be super when a editor would include a "SAY" tool. i remember good 
old days having fun with type in words intoo my c64 and let him say: beware, 
i live! ...don\ufffdt know how to do those things...
;_)
step

> > btw, does anyone have any idea how the actual programming was done that
> > let you use 4-bit samples on the C64?  I've seen it done by holding the
> > oscillators still, and modulating the master volume...but that would 
>only
> > get you one voice, and I've seen plenty of sidTunes that have 3 
>instruments
> > playing along with a sample channel, so there must be a special 
>technique
> > (andreas?)
>
>It's still one channel but the tree voices are mixed into one before 
>playing.
>
>/Bj\ufffdrn Fogelberg
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Support me by listening to my music at www.mp3.com/BjornFogelberg
>My site: www.fogelberg.com
>My main project: www.analoguesamples.com
>----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>


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