Elektron Musical Instruments

hi
has anybody of you measured the timing accuracy of the md? i recorded 
a single 4 on the floor bd for about 30s in logic. the timing is not 
perfect. i'm not an expert, but i found a max. deviation of about 2ms 
(up to 90 samples at 44.1 khz)from absolute timing. in my opinion 
that's not very good.
i also recorded a lfo triggered bd sound from a korg ms-20, to check 
if logic is really recording accurately. it showed that logic is 
accurate.

ken

>  i recorded
> a single 4 on the floor bd for about 30s in logic. the timing is not
> perfect. i'm not an expert, but i found a max. deviation of about 2ms
> (up to 90 samples at 44.1 khz)from absolute timing. in my opinion
> that's not very good.

MD is master or slave?
May this be a problem of the midi-interface?

on 5/17/02 10:28 AM, Federico Ciapi at federico.ciapi@... wrote:

> MD is master or slave?
> May this be a problem of the midi-interface?

IIRC, Elektron suggests the MD be used as master whenever possible.

Of course Emagic suggests that Logic be used as master whenever possible.

FWIW- I use an AMT-8 interface and have never had a problem with the MD as
slave. 

-d

--- In elektron-users@y..., David Wolf <david@u...> wrote:
> on 5/17/02 10:28 AM, Federico Ciapi at federico.ciapi@t... wrote:
> 
> > MD is master or slave?
> > May this be a problem of the midi-interface?

no, i recorded just the internal soundgeneration of the md standalone.

Well, with the MD synced to Logic on my computer, I noticed that 140 on
logic, was displayed as 139.9 on the MD

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	kosmobot [mailto:kengubler@...]
Sent:	Friday, May 17, 2002 7:19 AM
To:	elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject:	[elektron] md timing

hi
has anybody of you measured the timing accuracy of the md? i recorded
a single 4 on the floor bd for about 30s in logic. the timing is not
perfect. i'm not an expert, but i found a max. deviation of about 2ms
(up to 90 samples at 44.1 khz)from absolute timing. in my opinion
that's not very good.
i also recorded a lfo triggered bd sound from a korg ms-20, to check
if logic is really recording accurately. it showed that logic is
accurate.

ken





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It does very well both as a master and slave. For live use is great as a 
master. It\ufffds the first sequencer I\ufffdve met that doesn\ufffdt make any glitches 
when switching patterns.
pix

>From: David Wolf <david@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [elektron] md timing
>Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:29:23 -0400
>
>on 5/17/02 10:28 AM, Federico Ciapi at federico.ciapi@... wrote:
>
> > MD is master or slave?
> > May this be a problem of the midi-interface?
>
>IIRC, Elektron suggests the MD be used as master whenever possible.
>
>Of course Emagic suggests that Logic be used as master whenever possible.
>
>FWIW- I use an AMT-8 interface and have never had a problem with the MD as
>slave.
>
>-d
>




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> >  i recorded
> > a single 4 on the floor bd for about 30s in logic. the timing is not
> > perfect. i'm not an expert, but i found a max. deviation of about 2ms
> > (up to 90 samples at 44.1 khz)from absolute timing. in my opinion
> > that's not very good.
>
>MD is master or slave?
>May this be a problem of the midi-interface?
>
>

yeah, is the deviation regular or it has oscilations from measure to 
measure?



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--- In elektron-users@y..., "Rui Peixoto" <rupix@h...> wrote:
> yeah, is the deviation regular or it has oscilations from 
measure to 
> measure?

it's different from measure to measure. 
maybe i have to explain it better. i was wondering how tight the 
timing of the md is. here's what i did.
i recorded the output of the md without any synchronisation in 
logic for 3 minute.
i used a pattern with just one bd sound every 1/4 note at 120.0 
bpm without swing or slide.
then i set the start point at one of the first bd beat in the audio file 
and adjusted the tempo in logic so that it matched one of the last 
bd beat. this resulted in a tempo of 119.9271.
then i checked if the beats  between were at the right position.
here's the deviation in samples from the absolute song position 
of consecutive bd beats (44 samples are a deviation of 1 ms):

position in song         deviation in samples
1.1        0          
1.2        -35
1.3        -38
1.4       +25
2.1        -43
2.2        -45
2.3       +48
2.4       +14
3.1        -20
3.2        -23
3.3       +39
3.4       +4
4.1        -30
4.2        -32
4.3        +29
4.4        -37
5.1         -8
5.2         -43
5.3         +19
5.4         -16
6.1         -18
6.2         +43
6.3         +9
6.4         -25

and so on. the max. deviations in this example are -45 and +48 
samples. so we have a deviation of +-1ms. 
i tried classic vs. extended mode and different machines with 
similar results. and this is not a problem of logic. logic is 
recording absolutely accurate.
i think this in not very tight for a drum machine.

ken
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when I run reaktor and machinedrum at the same time, without syncing
them, simply setting identical BPM's, they stay synced for as long
as I care to pay attention...

On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 02:18:59PM -0000, kosmobot wrote:
> hi
> has anybody of you measured the timing accuracy of the md? i recorded 
> a single 4 on the floor bd for about 30s in logic. the timing is not 
> perfect. i'm not an expert, but i found a max. deviation of about 2ms 
> (up to 90 samples at 44.1 khz)from absolute timing. in my opinion 
> that's not very good.
> i also recorded a lfo triggered bd sound from a korg ms-20, to check 
> if logic is really recording accurately. it showed that logic is 
> accurate.
> 
> ken
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 

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