Elektron Musical Instruments

the only time i really care about that is when im step sequencing using my
mpc...or doing any recording with it actually...all those damn control
change messages keep appearing....oh well..just a personal rant....
sam

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Ehrlich" <grain@...>
To: "Elektron Users Group" <elektron-users@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 7:44 PM
Subject: [elektron] Realtime Controllers?


> Hi,
> I just got my Sidstation.  Love it!!!
> Read the archives about the direct controller knob fluxuation.
> Was there ever any solution?  Just forget about it?? :)
> Do you think it's part of the OS or the actual pots?
>
> Any info is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Peter Ehrlich
>
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Hi,

I believe that has been fixed with the latest OS update which is
available for free on the SidStation.com site.

Bye,
Joeri

Peter Ehrlich wrote:

> Hi,
> I just got my Sidstation.  Love it!!!
> Read the archives about the direct controller knob fluxuation.
> Was there ever any solution?  Just forget about it?? :)
> Do you think it's part of the OS or the actual pots?
>
> Any info is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Peter Ehrlich
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/grain
> gretagrain on AIM
> icq# 30567191
> grain@...
> peter_ehrlich@...
> grain_la@...
> gretagrain@...
> I dedicate this beer to the universal spirit of new age synthesis.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
--
Joeri Vankeirsbilck
joeri@...

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thats a negative...i have the latest OS installed and my sid still does
it...
sam

----- Original Message -----

From: "Joeri Vankeirsbilck" <joeri@...>
To: <elektron-users@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [elektron] Realtime Controllers?


> Hi,
>
> I believe that has been fixed with the latest OS update which is
> available for free on the SidStation.com site.
>
> Bye,
> Joeri
>
> Peter Ehrlich wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I just got my Sidstation.  Love it!!!
> > Read the archives about the direct controller knob fluxuation.
> > Was there ever any solution?  Just forget about it?? :)
> > Do you think it's part of the OS or the actual pots?
> >
> > Any info is greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Peter Ehrlich
> >
> > http://home.pacbell.net/grain
> > gretagrain on AIM
> > icq# 30567191
> > grain@...
> > peter_ehrlich@...
> > grain_la@...
> > gretagrain@...
> > I dedicate this beer to the universal spirit of new age synthesis.
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> --
> Joeri Vankeirsbilck
> joeri@...
>
> Belway Productions      -     http://www.belway.com
> List-admin   Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Yeah, I've got the latest OS.
Wonder what it is...hmmm

Pete

Tunnel Fear wrote:
> 
> thats a negative...i have the latest OS installed and my sid still does
> it...
> sam
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joeri Vankeirsbilck" <joeri@...>
> To: <elektron-users@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [elektron] Realtime Controllers?
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I believe that has been fixed with the latest OS update which is
> > available for free on the SidStation.com site.
> >
> > Bye,
> > Joeri
> >
> > Peter Ehrlich wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > I just got my Sidstation.  Love it!!!
> > > Read the archives about the direct controller knob fluxuation.
> > > Was there ever any solution?  Just forget about it?? :)
> > > Do you think it's part of the OS or the actual pots?
> > >
> > > Any info is greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > --
> > > Peter Ehrlich
> > >
> > > http://home.pacbell.net/grain
> > > gretagrain on AIM
> > > icq# 30567191
> > > grain@...
> > > peter_ehrlich@...
> > > grain_la@...
> > > gretagrain@...
> > > I dedicate this beer to the universal spirit of new age synthesis.
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > --
> > Joeri Vankeirsbilck
> > joeri@...
> >
> > Belway Productions      -     http://www.belway.com
> > List-admin   Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM
> >
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> >
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Peter Ehrlich

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peter_ehrlich@...
grain_la@...
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I dedicate this beer to the universal spirit of new age synthesis.

what problem is that?

rw
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Ehrlich" <grain@...>
To: "Elektron Users Group" <elektron-users@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 6:44 PM
Subject: [elektron] Realtime Controllers?


> Hi,
> I just got my Sidstation.  Love it!!!
> Read the archives about the direct controller knob fluxuation.
> Was there ever any solution?  Just forget about it?? :)
> Do you think it's part of the OS or the actual pots?
>
> Any info is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Peter Ehrlich
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/grain
> gretagrain on AIM
> icq# 30567191
> grain@...
> peter_ehrlich@...
> grain_la@...
> gretagrain@...
> I dedicate this beer to the universal spirit of new age synthesis.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving
> more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long
Distance

> rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/2567/10/_/598228/_/958002357/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

i have the new o.s. and the knobs still fluctuate, which really sucks. in 
the old o.s. they didn't go all the way to 127, but they didn't jump. in the 
new o.s. they do go to 127 but switch around to 125, 126 and 127 which is 
kinda worse, cuz if you programming, your values may jump. this is because 
the dctrl knobs are all the way up, so make sure that they're not up all the 
way.
  but i have a lot of faith in elektron, and i'm sure all these 
short-comings will be addressed.

c-ya

ksg.


>
>Hi,
>
>I believe that has been fixed with the latest OS update which is
>available for free on the SidStation.com site.
>
>Bye,
>Joeri
>
>Peter Ehrlich wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I just got my Sidstation.  Love it!!!
> > Read the archives about the direct controller knob fluxuation.
> > Was there ever any solution?  Just forget about it?? :)
> > Do you think it's part of the OS or the actual pots?
> >
> > Any info is greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Peter Ehrlich
> >
> > http://home.pacbell.net/grain
> > gretagrain on AIM
> > icq# 30567191
> > grain@...
> > peter_ehrlich@...
> > grain_la@...
> > gretagrain@...
> > I dedicate this beer to the universal spirit of new age synthesis.
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
>--
>Joeri Vankeirsbilck
>joeri@...
>
>Belway Productions      -     http://www.belway.com
>List-admin   Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM
>
>
>
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On Sun, 14 May 2000, Saul Goode wrote:

>   i have the new o.s. and the knobs still fluctuate, which really sucks. in 
> the old o.s. they didn't go all the way to 127, but they didn't jump. in the 
> new o.s. they do go to 127 but switch around to 125, 126 and 127 which is 
> kinda worse, cuz if you programming, your values may jump. this is because 
> the dctrl knobs are all the way up, so make sure that they're not up all the 
> way.

Ouch - doesn't sound good. I knew there was a risk with the improving the
end value accuracy - but in my tests I did not get the fluctuation. It can
differ on some units - and depending on how the problem exactly appears
there might be something we can do about it. Is all knobs affected, or is
it mainly one of them?

>   but i have a lot of faith in elektron, and i'm sure all these 
> short-comings will be addressed.

It is very hard to make the direct controllers 100% stable for all units.
We use the A/D-converters inside the HC11 microcontroller to decode them,
and the values I get from these are not stable at all. From an 8-bit value
they vary as much as 8 steps up and down, and to get them to the stability
they are now involves a lot of massaging and filtering. We've tried many
different approaches to make it better, but haven't succeeded. The problem
is that the fluctuation is not purely quick ones around a stable middle
value, but also sometimes a bit slower. When we've tried to filter these
out the responce have been slower which is not good as well.

Right now I'm using a middle value algorithm together with a "pithole"
around the last accepted value. Ideas to improve the algorithm are
welcome! :)

 //Daniel