Elektron Musical Instruments

lets make bets on how fast the rest go ;-), dam tho 100 in less than 
a day... i hope this machine truely sounds worth it!:o... elektron 
are masters of marketing for the niche market!:), some unethical 
tho, like the sidstation's rise in price to a ridiculous amount... :-
/ 950...kind corrupt in that way.  that's what gettin me thinkin 
about monomachine, they jsut showed little glimpses, i just hope 
it's a master of the trades it does, and not just a jack of all 
trades slightly good at them:-| the lack of info scares me.  but 
seems like people will be happy with it.  i guess i'm just cranky i 
missed out on getting one for a reasonable price.  1900 for one = 
ewwww:o  since dare i say :o there's al ot of soft synths that do 
the same stuff:o

I was shocked the sid was so cheap when I bought mine, actually.  
They're working with a limited supply of a unique core component.  If 
you compare it to other synths, yes, high, but it's not just a synth.  
It's a piece of some history, a rarity indeed.

On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 10:31 AM, hal3001 wrote:

> lets make bets on how fast the rest go ;-), dam tho 100 in less than
> a day... i hope this machine truely sounds worth it!:o... elektron
> are masters of marketing for the niche market!:), some unethical
> tho, like the sidstation's rise in price to a ridiculous amount... :-
> / 950...kind corrupt in that way.  that's what gettin me thinkin
> about monomachine, they jsut showed little glimpses, i just hope
> it's a master of the trades it does, and not just a jack of all
> trades slightly good at them:-| the lack of info scares me.  but
> seems like people will be happy with it.  i guess i'm just cranky i
> missed out on getting one for a reasonable price.  1900 for one =
> ewwww:o  since dare i say :o there's al ot of soft synths that do
> the same stuff:o
>
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ehhh, the price is ridiculously high, as a sid owner, i'm sure u 
understand how it is :) it's a $400-500 synth.  worth that 
practically,  exists the hardsid also with the same sound, and waht 
like $150? I def think the price jack due to the "final 100" is kind 
of a really asshole move to do.  I understand supply and demand.  
but tit seems wrong to me:(


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Damon Menne <damon@m...> 
wrote:
> I was shocked the sid was so cheap when I bought mine, actually.  
> They're working with a limited supply of a unique core component.  
If 
> you compare it to other synths, yes, high, but it's not just a 
synth.  
> It's a piece of some history, a rarity indeed.
> 
> On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 10:31 AM, hal3001 wrote:
> 
> > lets make bets on how fast the rest go ;-), dam tho 100 in less 
than
> > a day... i hope this machine truely sounds worth it!:o... 
elektron
> > are masters of marketing for the niche market!:), some unethical
> > tho, like the sidstation's rise in price to a ridiculous 
amount... :-
> > / 950...kind corrupt in that way.  that's what gettin me thinkin
> > about monomachine, they jsut showed little glimpses, i just hope
> > it's a master of the trades it does, and not just a jack of all
> > trades slightly good at them:-| the lack of info scares me.  but
> > seems like people will be happy with it.  i guess i'm just 
cranky i
> > missed out on getting one for a reasonable price.  1900 for one =
> > ewwww:o  since dare i say :o there's al ot of soft synths that do
> > the same stuff:o
> >
> >
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Service.
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I hope they do another 100(or more) for the friend price at some point. I'm
guessing that it wont be for sale to everyone at full price till December,
cuz that¹s when 1.0 comes out. I don't have the funds right now to get one,
but maybe between now and December I will, and it would be great to still be
able to get it at that price. As far as if it will be be good, just look at
the thing! no one would spend time on a great design like that and not have
the insides to back it up :)

On 9/15/03 1:31 PM, "hal3001" <hal3001@...> wrote:

> lets make bets on how fast the rest go ;-), dam tho 100 in less than
> a day... > 
> 
> 
> 
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Have you actually comp'd the synthesis abilities of a hardsid against 
the SidStation?  It's an astronomical difference in control.

As for 'asshole move', that's complete subjective -- because of this, I 
cannot argue (though I strongly disagree).  I tend not to take business 
decisions or things of commerce too personally.

What the market will accept in product pricing is 'just' in my eyes.  
If I disagree, I can take my business elsewhere -- no hard feelings.

On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 10:47 AM, hal3001 wrote:

> ehhh, the price is ridiculously high, as a sid owner, i'm sure u
> understand how it is :) it's a $400-500 synth.  worth that
> practically,  exists the hardsid also with the same sound, and waht
> like $150? I def think the price jack due to the "final 100" is kind
> of a really asshole move to do.  I understand supply and demand. 
> but tit seems wrong to me:(
>
>
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Damon Menne <damon@m...>
> wrote:
> > I was shocked the sid was so cheap when I bought mine, actually. 
> > They're working with a limited supply of a unique core component. 
> If
> > you compare it to other synths, yes, high, but it's not just a
> synth. 
> > It's a piece of some history, a rarity indeed.
> >
> > On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 10:31 AM, hal3001 wrote:
> >
> > > lets make bets on how fast the rest go ;-), dam tho 100 in less
> than
> > > a day... i hope this machine truely sounds worth it!:o...
> elektron
> > > are masters of marketing for the niche market!:), some unethical
> > > tho, like the sidstation's rise in price to a ridiculous
> amount... :-
> > > / 950...kind corrupt in that way.  that's what gettin me thinkin
> > > about monomachine, they jsut showed little glimpses, i just hope
> > > it's a master of the trades it does, and not just a jack of all
> > > trades slightly good at them:-| the lack of info scares me.  but
> > > seems like people will be happy with it.  i guess i'm just
> cranky i
> > > missed out on getting one for a reasonable price.  1900 for one =
> > > ewwww:o  since dare i say :o there's al ot of soft synths that do
> > > the same stuff:o
> > >
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, hal3001 wrote:

> ehhh, the price is ridiculously high, as a sid owner, i'm sure u 
> understand how it is :) it's a $400-500 synth.  worth that 
> practically,  exists the hardsid also with the same sound, and waht 
> like $150? I def think the price jack due to the "final 100" is kind 
> of a really asshole move to do.  I understand supply and demand.  
> but tit seems wrong to me:(

Well, the method of rising the price was mainly because we wanted them to 
last longer. If we would have kept the price then they would have been 
away since long. At least there is some still if you really want them. And 
we thought it would be good for the second hand price for all the SID's 
already out there! And, don't say we didn't warn about this. We repeated 
so many times that it's good not to wait too long. We like to encourage 
people to buy in time. Actually I think it's worth to follow the price 
scheme of most companies, to sell them expensive to the early followers, 
and then let the safe players get them almost free at the blow outs. We do 
it the opposite way, we let the first adopters get a price benefit for 
daring going first!

Daniel

ahh thhat's coo, i do enjoy the friends benefits that are there:)  
$500 less on the MM is great:) and you're right you did warn.  I 
don't mind really, i had my sid fill already!:-)  haven't had my 
machine drum or monomachine fill yet, hopefully sooon tho :D

-ryan

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Hansson <daniel@e...> 
wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, hal3001 wrote:
> 
> > ehhh, the price is ridiculously high, as a sid owner, i'm sure u 
> > understand how it is :) it's a $400-500 synth.  worth that 
> > practically,  exists the hardsid also with the same sound, and 
waht 
> > like $150? I def think the price jack due to the "final 100" is 
kind 
> > of a really asshole move to do.  I understand supply and 
demand.  
> > but tit seems wrong to me:(
> 
> Well, the method of rising the price was mainly because we wanted 
them to 
> last longer. If we would have kept the price then they would have 
been 
> away since long. At least there is some still if you really want 
them. And 
> we thought it would be good for the second hand price for all the 
SID's 
> already out there! And, don't say we didn't warn about this. We 
repeated 
> so many times that it's good not to wait too long. We like to 
encourage 
> people to buy in time. Actually I think it's worth to follow the 
price 
> scheme of most companies, to sell them expensive to the early 
followers, 
> and then let the safe players get them almost free at the blow 
outs. We do 
> it the opposite way, we let the first adopters get a price benefit 
for 

> daring going first!
> 
> Daniel

Hey, selling it later at the same discount wouldn't be fair. Us
beta testers are going to be the ones doing the hard work here. Our
blood and sweat will be shed in the name of making this a better
product for you and those to come. Some of us may even end up as
martyrs for the MonoMachine cause.
   Okay, I admit that's hyperbole. It would be nice to see some
sporadic discounts for friends in the future. I think, though, it
shouldn't be near the same as the "tester" discount and it would
probably be better if limited to current owners of Elektron gear,
though I guess for people who bought used or whatever it would be hard
to prove. Mainly my point is that Elektron need to make a profit and
throwing out discounts left and right isn't going to help them. The
profits from the Sid brought the MD, the profits from the MD and Sid
brought the MonoMachine, so hopefully the profits from the MonoMachine
will eventually lead to another product in the future. So think of the
money you spend on the MonoMachine as your way of contributing to the
cause. Or not.

   - Ben


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Andy Tarpinian <evildead@n...>
wrote:
> I hope they do another 100(or more) for the friend price at some
point. I'm
> guessing that it wont be for sale to everyone at full price till
December,
> cuz that¹s when 1.0 comes out. I don't have the funds right now to
get one,
> but maybe between now and December I will, and it would be great to
still be
> able to get it at that price. As far as if it will be be good, just
look at
> the thing! no one would spend time on a great design like that and
not have
> the insides to back it up :)

Well I ment it as before 1.0 came out in December, so it would still be in
beta. I'm talking like this month or next. Like another 100 units or
something, since these sold so fast.

On 9/15/03 6:05 PM, "Ben" <bdagnon@hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
>  Hey, selling it later at the same discount wouldn't be fair. Us
> beta testers are going to be the ones doing the hard work here. Our
> blood and sweat will be shed in the name of making this a better
> product for you and those to come. Some of us may even end up as
> martyrs for the MonoMachine cause.
>  Okay, I admit that's hyperbole. It would be nice to see some
> sporadic discounts for friends in the future. I think, though, it
> shouldn't be near the same as the "tester" discount and it would
> probably be better if limited to current owners of Elektron gear,
> though I guess for people who bought used or whatever it would be hard
> to prove. Mainly my point is that Elektron need to make a profit and
> throwing out discounts left and right isn't going to help them. The
> profits from the Sid brought the MD, the profits from the MD and Sid
> brought the MonoMachine, so hopefully the profits from the MonoMachine
> will eventually lead to another product in the future. So think of the
> money you spend on the MonoMachine as your way of contributing to the
> cause. Or not.
> 
>  - Ben
> 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Andy Tarpinian <evildead@n...>
> wrote:
>> I hope they do another 100(or more) for the friend price at some
> point. I'm
>> guessing that it wont be for sale to everyone at full price till
> December,
>> cuz that¹s when 1.0 comes out. I don't have the funds right now to
> get one,
>> but maybe between now and December I will, and it would be great to
> still be
>> able to get it at that price. As far as if it will be be good, just
> look at
>> the thing! no one would spend time on a great design like that and
> not have
>> the insides to back it up :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
>

Seriously, I applaud Elektron doing business this way. We all know 
how much of a collectible the sid really is. They just reinforced that. 
Of course, I already own one :)

On 15 Sep 2003 at 23:54, Daniel Hansson wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, hal3001 wrote:
> 
> > ehhh, the price is ridiculously high, as a sid owner, i'm sure u 
> > understand how it is :) it's a $400-500 synth. worth that 
> > practically, exists the hardsid also with the same sound, and waht 
> > like $150? I def think the price jack due to the "final 100" is kind 
> > of a really asshole move to do. I understand supply and demand. 
> > but tit seems wrong to me:(
> 
> Well, the method of rising the price was mainly because we wanted them to 
> last longer. If we would have kept the price then they would have been 
> away since long. At least there is some still if you really want them. And 
> we thought it would be good for the second hand price for all the SID's 
> already out there! And, don't say we didn't warn about this. We repeated 
> so many times that it's good not to wait too long. We like to encourage 
> people to buy in time. Actually I think it's worth to follow the price 
> scheme of most companies, to sell them expensive to the early followers, 
> and then let the safe players get them almost free at the blow outs. We do 
> it the opposite way, we let the first adopters get a price benefit for 
> daring going first!
> 
> Daniel
> 
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It'd be nice if they had 100$ discount for christmas when they say 
they're having 1.0 out in December.  Just an idea.  It'd get the 
periodicals talking.  

You'd get alot of sales at the last quarter.  Then next year will be 
hell because the boss man will complain how every month's profits are 
less than December2003.  So never mind....

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bdagnon@h...> wrote:
> 
>    Hey, selling it later at the same discount wouldn't be fair. Us
> beta testers are going to be the ones doing the hard work here. Our
> blood and sweat will be shed in the name of making this a better
> product for you and those to come. Some of us may even end up as
> martyrs for the MonoMachine cause.
>    Okay, I admit that's hyperbole. It would be nice to see some
> sporadic discounts for friends in the future. I think, though, it
> shouldn't be near the same as the "tester" discount and it would
> probably be better if limited to current owners of Elektron gear,
> though I guess for people who bought used or whatever it would be 
hard
> to prove. Mainly my point is that Elektron need to make a profit and
> throwing out discounts left and right isn't going to help them. The
> profits from the Sid brought the MD, the profits from the MD and Sid
> brought the MonoMachine, so hopefully the profits from the 
MonoMachine
> will eventually lead to another product in the future. So think of 
the
> money you spend on the MonoMachine as your way of contributing to 
the
> cause. Or not.
> 
>    - Ben
> 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Andy Tarpinian <evildead@n...
>
> wrote:
> > I hope they do another 100(or more) for the friend price at some
> point. I'm
> > guessing that it wont be for sale to everyone at full price till
> December,
> > cuz that¹s when 1.0 comes out. I don't have the funds right now to
> get one,
> > but maybe between now and December I will, and it would be great 
to
> still be
> > able to get it at that price. As far as if it will be be good, 
just

> look at
> > the thing! no one would spend time on a great design like that and
> not have
> > the insides to back it up :)