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MonoMachine Desktop?

2003-10-06 by privat_joy

Hello,
at the latest Keys-Magazine in Germany there is a small report about
the upcomming Monomachine. At the end of this report, they said there
will be a Version without Keyboard! So, what are your informations
about that. 
True is, that i like the MM as it is with Keyboard. Fact is, that i
have enough Keys at home and would prever a MM sized as an MD!!!
Are there some more informations around, about if this will produced
when and how much it will cost?
Stefan

Re: [elektron] MonoMachine Desktop?

2003-10-06 by Joe

On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 04:46:54PM -0000, privat_joy wrote:
>    True is, that i like the MM as it is with Keyboard. Fact is, that i
>    have enough Keys at home and would prever a MM sized as an MD!!!
>    Are there some more informations around, about if this will produced
>    when and how much it will cost?

not that I know of.  I'm not surprised that they're doing this. as I've
mentioned, the MM is already pretty well set up in the OS to function
without a keyboard controller. and it does have the word "keyboard"
(implying that they need to differentiate between versions) on it.

anyway, I'd prefer the keyboard-less version. yes, I like the keyboard a
lot and it is quite handy to have there for programming (and it's quite
a nice keyboard in itself). but when I play, I want things to be as
close together as possible. and removing the keyboard means they'll be A
LOT closer.

Joe

Re: [elektron] MonoMachine Desktop?

2003-10-07 by Eric Jacobsen

--- Joe <jmelnyk@...> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 04:46:54PM -0000, privat_joy
> wrote:
> the MM is already pretty well set up in
> the OS to function without a keyboard controller. 
> 
> anyway, I'd prefer the keyboard-less version.

Not having an MM to play with, I'm really curious to
hear from MM users:

- how much of the MM functionality can be done w/o the
keyboard
- how the physical MM keyboard-side features
contribute to the sound / song creation (led's,
joystick, ?)
- Your opinions of what would be lost (if anything)
creatively from working with a non-integrated keyboard
(like the MD, is the whole greater than the sum of the
parts)

As a victim of advanced stage GAS, I too would prefer
the module, but not if it detracts from the creative
process.  That's something you can't put $$$ against &
the best feature of the MD vs. competitor products
IMHO.

Thanks, Eric


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Re: [elektron] MonoMachine Desktop?

2003-10-07 by Joe

On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 10:46:38PM -0700, Eric Jacobsen wrote:
>    - how much of the MM functionality can be done w/o the
>    keyboard

as far as I know, the keyboard is only absolutely necessary for the
multi-trig features.  with this feature, you can transpose one or more
tracks at once as well as retrigger them all at once, etc.

the other features can be done by hand (i.e. twisting knobs to program
notes) or with an external MIDI keyboard. I certainly think a keyboard
is nice for writing/programming it (especially when using the
arpeggiator). but the multi-trig feature is the only one that can't
be utilized at all without the onboard keyboard; simply because you
need the multi trig button to do it, and that's on the keyboard half
of the synth.

so, if they implement a module version, they will either have to figure
out a way to squeeze the multi-trig feature into it (either with a new
button or a menu, I guess); or that feature will not be included.
the latter case would be sad and would be worth getting the
keyboard version to have, I think. it would be great if they made the
module a bit bigger than the left half of the MM to include the joystick
and the multi-trig button. that way, no features are absent from a
module/MIDI keyboard setup.

>    - how the physical MM keyboard-side features
>    contribute to the sound / song creation (led's,
>    joystick, ?)

the LED's don't really help too much at all (at least not to me). but
it's cool to see them light up like mad when you play the arpeggiator
:-)

the joystick is cool if you set it up right. that is, using useful
parameter assignments and ranges of values to change to. but, if I
remember right, the assignments hold even if you plug a MIDI keyboard in
(left/right joystick movement becomes pitch wheel and up/down goes to
 the mod wheel). but of course, you can't make circular multi-parameter
sweeps as easily that way.

>    - Your opinions of what would be lost (if anything)
>    creatively from working with a non-integrated keyboard
>    (like the MD, is the whole greater than the sum of the
>    parts)

creativity-wise (and not feature-wise, as addressed above), I don't
think it would be too different. except that with a keyboard right at
hand, you might be more likely to try some new things here and there
that you might not have otherwise.

but for me at least, it's taking up a big chunk of my desk! so I have
to move other things further away. as a result, they get used less or
I'm lazier with programming them. so the keyboard actually takes
creativity away from me because I don't feel like leaning over for ten
minutes to program something.

Joe

Re: [elektron] MonoMachine Desktop?

2003-10-07 by Roonan

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> but for me at least, it's taking up a big chunk of my desk! so I 
have
> to move other things further away. as a result, they get used less 
or
> I'm lazier with programming them. so the keyboard actually takes
> creativity away from me because I don't feel like leaning over for 
ten
> minutes to program something.

You poor bastard! :-)
Live is tough on you not?

Ronald.

PS. It's the same here btw.
I would like a module more but GAS forced me to buy one asap.

Re: [elektron] MonoMachine Desktop?

2003-10-07 by Eric Jacobsen

Great post, Joe.  Really informative.  Thanks!

Runnin' a little late for a Mon/Tues there in Ohio,eh?
 Hope you got better reasons for not sleeping than a
sore back from all that leaning!

eric
--- Joe <jmelnyk@...> wrote:
because I don't feel like
> leaning over for ten
> minutes to program something.
> 
> Joe


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Re: [elektron] MonoMachine Desktop?

2003-10-07 by Joe

On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 11:35:18PM -0700, Eric Jacobsen wrote:
>    Great post, Joe.  Really informative.  Thanks!
>    Runnin' a little late for a Mon/Tues there in Ohio,eh?

late? it's only 2:40 a.m.

>    Hope you got better reasons for not sleeping than a
>    sore back from all that leaning!

I do! I was working for awhile and now I'm about to go play my MM :-)

Joe

Re: [elektron] MonoMachine Desktop?

2003-10-07 by Joe

On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 06:33:48AM -0000, Roonan wrote:
>    You poor bastard! :-)
>    Live is tough on you not?

:-) yeah, I'm whiney! I guess there are worse things in life than having
to lean over to program some wonderful instruments.

>    Ronald.
>    PS. It's the same here btw.
>    I would like a module more but GAS forced me to buy one asap.

yeah...the idea that I might have to wait quite awhile for a module
version and the normal price tag of the keyboard version (had they decided
not to release a module version) were my motives for early purchase.

Joe

Re: [elektron] MonoMachine Desktop?

2003-10-07 by Janne G:son Berg

On Tue Oct 07 2003, Roonan <info@...> wrote:

> PS. It's the same here btw.
> I would like a module more but GAS forced me to buy one asap.

I hate to write this, but "mee too"!. 

I sit in my sofa with the MnM in my lap, the sequencer/knobs/display
in front of me, the keyboard sticks out to the right. Used some
pillows to keep it level with my lap.

Ergonomically, Elektron has messed up. For example: The display vs
knobs vs keyboard. If you use the MnM normally you play stuff with
your right hand, and then tweak sounds with your left hand. Is it
possible to have a look at the display to see what is going on?
No. Your left arm covers the display...

If you put the MnM on a keyboard stand you will have to strain your
neck all the time to see what is going on in the display.

To me it is obvious that the MnM was developed as a desktop box
without the kleyboard. Remove the keyboard and lots of stuff falls
into place.

/Janne

RE: [elektron] MonoMachine Desktop?

2003-10-07 by John Kimble

I agree with all the comments so far, but I do like the keyboard a lot.
For some reason it is more intuitive for me to have the keyboard there
to change the note value for a single step (hold the step trigger and
then hit the note on the keyboard).  But it is very uncomfortable to sit
somewhere with such a lopsided, heavy beast

Someone else suggested that the keyboard should be detachable.  I think
this would be the best solution all the way around.  I am seriously
considering modding my MnM to have a detachable keyboard.  The only
obvious problems I have seen with doing this so far are that the power
transformer is in the keyboard side of the case (above the joystick).
So that means I would have to rewire and try using a wall wart power
supply for the module side unless I leave the joystick part attached to
the mdoule (the seam on the faceplate is to the left of the joystick
though).

Cheers
ripe
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On Tue Oct 07 2003, Roonan <info@...> wrote:

> PS. It's the same here btw.
> I would like a module more but GAS forced me to buy one asap.

I hate to write this, but "mee too"!. 

I sit in my sofa with the MnM in my lap, the sequencer/knobs/display in
front of me, the keyboard sticks out to the right. Used some pillows to
keep it level with my lap.

Ergonomically, Elektron has messed up. For example: The display vs knobs
vs keyboard. If you use the MnM normally you play stuff with your right
hand, and then tweak sounds with your left hand. Is it possible to have
a look at the display to see what is going on? No. Your left arm covers
the display...

If you put the MnM on a keyboard stand you will have to strain your neck
all the time to see what is going on in the display.

To me it is obvious that the MnM was developed as a desktop box without
the kleyboard. Remove the keyboard and lots of stuff falls into place.

/Janne



 

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Re: [elektron] MonoMachine Desktop?

2003-10-07 by privat_joy

Funny,
i like all the ideas and suggestions.
Except this one button all keyboardaction 
could be done from an remote keyboard.
Question is: Will Elektron produce a DesktopVersion or not!
It should be fine to give us a hint befor they make the offical
MM-Release.
I am sure they will produce the Desktop one week after i am ordered
the Keyboardversion.
Stefan

Re: [elektron] MonoMachine Desktop?

2003-10-07 by Damon Menne

I agree with the ergonomic good with regards to the knobs.  This is a  
big time oversight, I'm in this weird spiderish  
dart-in-twiddle-dart-out mode when using the monomachine so i can tweak  
while playing and still see the screen... the knobs and the screen  
should be flipped.
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On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 01:22 AM, Janne G:son Berg wrote:

> On Tue Oct 07 2003, Roonan <info@...> wrote:
>
>> PS. It's the same here btw.
>> I would like a module more but GAS forced me to buy one asap.
>
> I hate to write this, but "mee too"!.
>
> I sit in my sofa with the MnM in my lap, the sequencer/knobs/display
> in front of me, the keyboard sticks out to the right. Used some
> pillows to keep it level with my lap.
>
> Ergonomically, Elektron has messed up. For example: The display vs
> knobs vs keyboard. If you use the MnM normally you play stuff with
> your right hand, and then tweak sounds with your left hand. Is it
> possible to have a look at the display to see what is going on?
> No. Your left arm covers the display...
>
> If you put the MnM on a keyboard stand you will have to strain your
> neck all the time to see what is going on in the display.
>
> To me it is obvious that the MnM was developed as a desktop box
> without the kleyboard. Remove the keyboard and lots of stuff falls
> into place.
>
> /Janne
>
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