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Reverse Engineering Rob Hubbard's sound

Reverse Engineering Rob Hubbard's sound

2000-09-08 by shifty@gweep.net

If you have the HVSC a good song for demo'ing some "typical" Rob Hubbard
sounds is "Phantoms of the Asteroids."  I've been running Sidplay in
Original mode and using the mixer to isolate SID Channels, trying to 
re-create some of the techniques Rob used in such stellar songs as
"Chimaera."  So far, I have learned quite a bit.  For starters, he's
not really tweaking the Sid registers very complexly, but he is using
some simple wavetables.  Want to learn more?  Then start your own
mini-project to figure out and recreate some more of Rob Hubbard's songs.

In Song #2 of "Phantoms", several very classic Hubbard-sounds are employed.
There is a pleasing, swiftly-changing melody played with two voices 
on Voices 1 and 2.  Below is "how he did it."  Hopefully you will be
inspired to try some of these simple but effective techniques yourself:

The first sound is in seconds 0-7 of the song.  It is quite simply
two square waves played at different intervals (G against B-Flat).

At 7 seconds comes a classic sound from "Chimaera."  It is quite simply
two high-pitched square waves with identical wavetables that go like this:
+00 +12 +12 +12 +12 +12 +12 +12 the time for the individual steps is
20ms and the whole table is 160ms.  They're separated by an interval I
haven't yet found out.

At 12 seconds comes a particularly beautiful sound.  It is two
simultaneous arpeggiations!  It's pretty hard to tell exactly what's
going on here, but it seems like Voice 1 is playing the Note E briefly,
then sliding up to F then a two-note arpegg E/B begins.  As this
arpeggiation happens, the Pulse Width is varied from 25% to 75%.  This
has an exceptionally cool effect of making the pitch seem to increase!

On Voice 2, it's a similar story: base note G (minor 3rd up from Voice 1),
brief slide, then alternating rapidly between G and B-flat!  Plus,
there is a more complex pulse width modulation sequence.  It begins
at around 25%, up to 50%, down to 10% then back up to 50%.  

Then at 18 seconds is the lovely Hubbard drum sound from many songs. in this
case, it's actually two sounds superimposed.  One is a kick drum sound, the
other a snare sound.  The kick has some wavetable action at the begin, but
is basically a square wave (with some filtering?) with decaying freq.  The
snare/white noise has some subtleties to it that you can see using the
spectral view.  First of all, there is a notch filter killing the narrow
band from about 1500 Hz to 2KHz. On top of that, a wavetable is used at 20ms
periods to swap the notch filter to between 2KHz and 5KHz, once again, at
1/8 of the steps in the table.  This gives a sort of echo effect!  brilliant!

Any music using SID on the net?

2000-09-15 by Brendan Reville

I'd love to hear some music that uses the SIDStation... are there any
.mp3s out there?

- Brendan

Re: [elektron] Any music using SID on the net?

2000-09-15 by Janne G-son Berg

On Fri Sep 15 2000, Brendan Reville <breville@...> wrote:

> I'd love to hear some music that uses the SIDStation... are there any
> .mp3s out there?

www.mp3.cpm/gson

One of the songs there.

/Janne

-- 
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   "de som inte kan f\ufffdrsvara sina r\ufffdttigheter har inte heller n\ufffdgra" - idiot

Re: [elektron] Any music using SID on the net?

2000-09-15 by (El Dee Bee) Shaughn Struble

>I'd love to hear some music that uses the SIDStation... are there any
>.mp3s out there?
>
www.mp3.com/ivirus

The one song up there is mainly the sidstation.  (everything but my voice,
the beat, and the beeps)

I. Virus
http://www.cartoonmilitia.com
--
http://www.mp3.com/ivirus
Download some of my music.
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Re: [elektron] Any music using SID on the net?

2000-09-15 by Brendan Reville

> > I'd love to hear some music that uses the SIDStation... are there any
> > .mp3s out there?
> 
> www.mp3.cpm/gson
> 
> One of the songs there.

Nice.  How do you achieve the multi-timbralness?  Lots of 64-note
patterns?

Re: [elektron] Any music using SID on the net?

2000-09-15 by Janne G-son Berg

On Fri Sep 15 2000, Brendan Reville <breville@...> wrote:

> > www.mp3.cpm/gson

> Nice.  How do you achieve the multi-timbralness?  Lots of 64-note
> patterns?

Cheating... :)

The song D75 is made with four instruments. 
Elektron Sidstation, for the arpeggio thing througout the entire song
Roland Alpha Juno-2, plays bass and some small melodic things
Yamaha FS1r, the short spiky sounds
Yamaha DX7, the screaming lead that appears later on in the song.

Add delay and reverb to that.

Real time tweaking on the Sidstation and the Juno-2, everything
sequenced from an Atari 1040 with Cubase 2.

But my intentions was to keep the song within the C64 limits, and I
think I managed that quite well.

/Janne

-- 
Janne G:son Berg, d3berg@...   http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~d3berg
   "de som inte kan f\ufffdrsvara sina r\ufffdttigheter har inte heller n\ufffdgra" - idiot

Re: [elektron] Any music using SID on the net?

2000-09-15 by Zoe Blade

> > I'd love to hear some music that uses the SIDStation... are there any
> > .mp3s out there?

www.mp3.com/pollutedskies -> sunscape

-- 
Zoe Blade
www.gogulnet.co.uk

RE: [elektron] Any music using SID on the net?

2000-09-15 by Gisle Martens Meyer

http://www.mp3.com/ugress/

The first three tracks uses the sid for sfx and "spice".
The "lead guitar" in E-Pipe is the sid thru a guitar processor.


Gisle

-----Original Message-----
From: Brendan Reville [mailto:breville@...]

I'd love to hear some music that uses the SIDStation... are there any
.mp3s out there?

- Brendan

Re: [elektron] Any music using SID on the net?

2000-09-15 by Joeri Vankeirsbilck

Hi,

http://www.mp3.com/templeoftrance

The main theme after the break is a sampled sound. It contains JP8080,
Virus and Nordlead, but it was the SidStation that fattened it up!
The SidStation is featured more prominently in another song of mine
which will be online soon.

Bye,
Joeri


> I'd love to hear some music that uses the SIDStation... are there any
> .mp3s out there?

--
Joeri Vankeirsbilck
joeri@...

Belway Productions      -     http://www.belway.com
List-admin   Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM
Listen to this:   http://www.mp3.com/templeoftrance



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Re: [elektron] Any music using SID on the net?

2000-09-15 by Brendan Reville

> http://www.mp3.com/templeoftrance
> 
> The main theme after the break is a sampled sound. It contains JP8080,
> Virus and Nordlead, but it was the SidStation that fattened it up!
> The SidStation is featured more prominently in another song of mine
> which will be online soon.

Do you mean the main lead line uses all four at once to play the same
notes?  Or is the main lead completely SID?  It's a nice big sound.

Very good track, well produced.  To my ear, the bassline is a tiny bit
sharp (in pitch) though, compared to the other instruments.  But very nice
track, and I'm probably wrong anyway.

- Brendan

Re: [elektron] Any music using SID on the net?

2000-09-15 by Joeri Vankeirsbilck

Hi Brendan,

> > http://www.mp3.com/templeoftrance
> > The main theme after the break is a sampled sound. It contains
> JP8080,
> > Virus and Nordlead, but it was the SidStation that fattened it up!
> > The SidStation is featured more prominently in another song of mine
> > which will be online soon.
> Do you mean the main lead line uses all four at once to play the same
> notes?  Or is the main lead completely SID?  It's a nice big sound.

Ehm... yes.... it uses all four synths. :-))) It's just that the first
three all had some sort of "hollow" sound and it's the SidStation that
was able to make it sound fat. Because of the EQ you don't really notice
the SidStation is in it. I sent all 4 synths to a bus and sampled them.
I then used Emagic EXS24 to play the samples. The "drive" of the EXS
filter also added to the character of the sound, I must say.

Bye,
Joeri

--
Joeri Vankeirsbilck
joeri@...

Belway Productions      -     http://www.belway.com
List-admin   Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM
Listen to this:   http://www.mp3.com/templeoftrance



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Re: [elektron] Any music using SID on the net?

2000-09-18 by kristopher bernard

--- Zoe Blade <zoe@...> wrote:
> > > I'd love to hear some music that uses the
> SIDStation... are there any
> > > .mp3s out there?
> 
> www.mp3.com/pollutedskies -> sunscape
> 
> -- 
> Zoe Blade
> www.gogulnet.co.uk
> 
check out stochastic @.../stochastic

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Re: [elektron] Any music using SID on the net?

2000-09-20 by Henry Favretto

check http://www.mp3.com/ecm

especially the song 'lord of the birds'. it features some sid-crafted 
noises and leads.. 

watch out for more to come. currently i'm also working a lot with 
nanoloop (http://www.nanoloop.de). it rocks.

-- 
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http://www.mp3.com/skalpell

purple is the neue black.

Re: [elektron] Any music using SID on the net?

2000-10-18 by Mickey T

Hi there!

I think song called "Cellularphone" in the Andrea Parker - DJ Kicks sounds
like a one night stand of SidStaion and TR-808.

--
Mickey T
Drum Machine Museum
http://www.drummachine.com

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WTB - SidStation

2000-12-14 by John Potter

Anyone looking to sell their Sid?

I'm thinking about picking up a new one from Drummachine.com today - 
let me know if you're interested in getting rid of yours.

Thanks,

John

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