Elektron Musical Instruments

I am surprised the sysex header data for the SID is 6 bytes .. is that rigt ? 
Most other synth I know of use only four:

$F0
ManufacturerID
UnitID
ModelID

Why do different ? Or Am I wrong ?

On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, georgesv wrote:

> I am surprised the sysex header data for the SID is 6 bytes .. is that rigt ? 
> Most other synth I know of use only four:
> 
> $F0
> ManufacturerID
> UnitID
> ModelID
> 
> Why do different ? Or Am I wrong ?

Check page 39 of the SidStation users manual. There you will find the init
specified.

New companies in Europe and USA applying for a SYSEX manufacturers ID get
a 3-byte sequence. Japanese companies still get 1-byte ID's - which the
old synthesizer developers still have.

 //Daniel

Thanks Daniel,

So it means that if you want to be generic when writing programs you have to 
sniff for six or four bytes... but is there a way to detect which of the two 
format is used when looking at a sysex file ?

>===== Original Message From Daniel Hansson <daniel@...> =====
>On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, georgesv wrote:
>
>> I am surprised the sysex header data for the SID is 6 bytes .. is that rigt 
?

>> Most other synth I know of use only four:
>>
>> $F0
>> ManufacturerID
>> UnitID
>> ModelID
>>
>> Why do different ? Or Am I wrong ?
>
>Check page 39 of the SidStation users manual. There you will find the init
>specified.
>
>New companies in Europe and USA applying for a SYSEX manufacturers ID get
>a 3-byte sequence. Japanese companies still get 1-byte ID's - which the
>old synthesizer developers still have.
>
> //Daniel
>
>

Sorry, I found what I was looking for ; looking for the first byte to be zero 
looks enough to decide it is an 'extented' manufacturer id

( http://www.midi.org/about-mma/mfgid.htm )

Thanks

>===== Original Message From elektron-users@egroups.com =====
>Thanks Daniel,
>
>So it means that if you want to be generic when writing programs you have to
>sniff for six or four bytes... but is there a way to detect which of the two
>format is used when looking at a sysex file ?
>
>>===== Original Message From Daniel Hansson <daniel@...> =====
>>On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, georgesv wrote:
>>
>>> I am surprised the sysex header data for the SID is 6 bytes .. is that 
rigt

>?
>>> Most other synth I know of use only four:
>>>
>>> $F0
>>> ManufacturerID
>>> UnitID
>>> ModelID
>>>
>>> Why do different ? Or Am I wrong ?
>>
>>Check page 39 of the SidStation users manual. There you will find the init
>>specified.
>>
>>New companies in Europe and USA applying for a SYSEX manufacturers ID get
>>a 3-byte sequence. Japanese companies still get 1-byte ID's - which the
>>old synthesizer developers still have.
>>
>> //Daniel
>>
>>
>
>

Hi guys,

  Just in case anyone else was curious rE: the whole
sysex backup thing, I found that if I went into
midi-oxs preferences and changed the # of "low level
input buffers" to higher numbers it works just fine.

Man, midi-ox guys. I know it's technical, but at some
level you're still dealing with musicians. As a
programmer, I understand "number of buffers" and "size
of buffers" but yessh, guys.

I am very happy about this, anyway, I had got to the
point where I was nervous about making new pattenrs
because my MD was "full".

The next step I figure is posting the 2 or 3 patterns
/ kits I like enough to share with the other kids to
this list.

Lemme tell ya, thats what I'd much rather see, sysex
files of drumkits and patterns, than say "my md not
worko". 

Anyone got an instrument / drumkit that sounds like
the rhodes demo from the website?

- Tom


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> Anyone got an instrument / drumkit that sounds like
> the rhodes demo from the website?
> 
> - Tom

Hi!

Sorry Tom, this kit was lost before I got my way around SYSEX 
dumping. Anyway, I just used the EFM hihat (with tremolo and filter 
enveloping), which is simply the best machine for melodic sounds on 
the MD. Its tonal range is limited enough for fine tuning of melodic 
sounds, unlike eg the sine signal. It is also used in the "Sarpsborg" 
demo on the MD site (strings and melodies). Also, try the E12 toms 
with retrig and filtering. Retrigged E12 machines do not cover the 12 
tone scale, only selected notes. But I once managed to make a realy 
piano-like timbre out of it. :) I can put the sysex dump here if you 
like.

I also use MIDI-OX for dumping. It works just excellent, and I have 
even tried dumping several separate "pattern+kit" dumps, which also 
worked fine. Highly recommended!

I also agree that the forum should contain much more demos and 
dumpings than "which one is best - blabla or blabla"...

Regards,
 Nils

> I also agree that the forum should contain much more demos and 
> dumpings than "which one is best - blabla or blabla"...

Agreed. How about some MD contest, like let's select a theme or 
something and people do md-kit with one pattern. Patterns are posted 
here as mp3 and kits are made available to everyone as well. It would 
be really fun hear, how other people use their MD. Anyone interested 
for making up a theme? I could join for sure!

Toni.

--- tahvenaine2002 <toni.ahvenainen@...> wrote:

> Agreed. How about some MD contest, like let's select
> a theme or 
> something and people do md-kit with one pattern.

That'd be kool.  I'd play.


		
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> > Agreed. How about some MD contest, like let's select
> > a theme or 
> > something and people do md-kit with one pattern.
> 
> That'd be kool.  I'd play.
> 

So now we need a theme. Anyone want to make something up (so that I 
don't get to contest just on my own)? Breakbeats, DnB, Noise, or 
something totally different like Control, kinetic beats,  hihats-only 
kits? Anything!

Toni.

ps. remember this is not serious, it's more like fun (so no worries 
of output).