Elektron Musical Instruments

Joerg (the creator of the synth) spoke a bunch about it on the Harmony Central forum. He went into some detail (in response to my question there) about the sequencer. It sounds pretty awesome. You should be able to find it. If you can't let me know, and I think I can find the thread and post the link.

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> What did you hear about Spectralis? 
> When shall it arrive at the stores? 
> I am much intersted in this one too, 
> but i don't sell MnM, no way... 
> 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, implode7@c... wrote: 
> > I don't have access to the original email right now, but thought I'd 
> mention. I am going to be selling my MnM, despite the fact that I 
> really like it? Why? The Spectralis is being released earlier than I 
> expected, and I need to get cash together. 
> > In any case, if this person is interested (I have the NON-keyboard 
> version) email me off list. If anyone else is interested, you can 
> email me also. 
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> > > 
> > > --- schmackofanz 
> > > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > Hi, 
> > > > > What are the key differences between the keyboard 
> > > > & desktop? Just 
> > > > > that the desktop is missing the keyboard & the 
> > > > joystick? Is that it? 
> > > > more or less yes. There are those LEDs over the 
> > > > keyboard that you dont get with any other 
> > > > keyboard and i think an additional button to switch 
> > > > the triggermode but other than that 
> > > > the SFX-60 can do anything that the SFX-6 can when 
> > > > you connect it to a cdecent 
> > > > midicontroller. 
> > > > i have the sfx-60 and i control it from the 
> > > > timetrippad of my V-Synth. This is a great 
> > > > substitute for the joystick and i can even record 
> > > > the movements into the arpeggiator of the 
> > > > V-Synth. 
> > > > 
> > > > > The joystick: have a kaoss pad if I want to do 
> > > > that kind of midi 
> > > > > control 
> > > > a vectorcontroller is perfect. The timetrippad of 
> > > > the v-synth and the kaoos pad are very 
> > > > similiar 
> > > > > 
> > > > > How do people find the functionality and the 
> > > > stability of the 
> > > > > MonoMachine? 
> > > > i do suffer from some static clicks that i get every 
> > > > once in a while and i have to call 
> > > > elektron to check if that is softwarerelated or 
> > > > needs to be serviced. 
> > > > 
> > > > Other than that i love the combination of MD and 
> > > > mono. 
> > > > They are a perfect match. 
> > > > i also have a virus c that fits in that setup 
> > > > perfectly. 
> > > > 
> > > > For electronic music there is no better interface 
> > > > than the elektron stuff. at least i havent 
> > > > seen any and i tried a lot of gear before i bought 
> > > > the md and the mono. 
> > > > very intuitive and inspiring 
> > > > i can really recommend it 
> > > > 
> > > > best 
> > > > Hans 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > I replaced my Ms2000,MC-505,Korgs EA1 ER1 and a 
> > > digital effect processor with getting the MnM. Would I 
> > > have done it again? In a heartbeat! The MnM is the 
> > > sh*t when it comes to making up electro music. It's 
> > > also so much more easy to make up patterns with than 
> > > the gear it replaced. Cept for the electribes but then 
> > > again this machine sounds allot better than the 
> > > electribe units. 
> > > 
> > > Auto 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > Yahoo! Groups Links 
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On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 08:33:21PM +0000, implode7@... wrote:
> Joerg (the creator of the synth) spoke a bunch about it on the Harmony Central forum. He went into some detail (in response to my question there) about the sequencer. It sounds pretty awesome. You should be able to find it. If you can't let me know, and I think I can find the thread and post the link.

here's the link:

http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=32771da236ea2c79aa36a43479d71e8c&threadid=664505&perpage=20&highlight=spectralis&pagenumber=1

i thought i'd include a great post from joerg radikal/quasimidi that he drafted in
response to carping about the price of the spectralis.  it's a conversation i had
frequently with friends and peers until i finally bought my machinedrum (sigh) a week
ago @nova musik - there's a big difference between a tool being too expensive and not being able to afford that tool.  as i write and record beats like mad with this little silver wonder, i just gotta tell the naysayers:

"nyah, nyah."



joerg follows:

First of all - a hardware synthesizer is a kind of luxus. It is possible, that a lot of
people can't afford it. I am sorry for that - but that is the truth and I don't have
the chance to change that.
There must be a big difference between a hardware synth and a soft synth, until someone
will decide to go for it. If we would produce something cheap, everyone would say -
look, they not even reach the quality of a good softsynth - mostly ignoring the costs
for a high quality soundcard, the 3 GHz computer etc. 

Radikal Technologies is an absolute noname brand in the world of synthesizers. If we
really want to establish a new brand, we must produce something very special. We only
have one try. Coming out with something cheap and affordable for everyone is not the
solution. The world does not need the hundreds "nice" new synth device with some knobs
and buttons.
We developed the spectralis with only one target in mind -"Blowing people away". I
don't know, if we have a chance to reach this target - but we are working hard for it.
It's a kind of dream. A dream of some stupid guys like me, who are not willing to
accept, that the big time of hardware synths is over.
Everyone knows, that there is no hardware company anywhere, that comes even close to
the sold quantities of the eighties. When we calculate the development costs, the costs
for parts, advertising, after sale service, trade shows etc. we must accept, that a
synthesizer can't be as cheap as in the eighties. Simply because the we must calculate
with 1000 sold units and not with 3000, 5000 or 10000. My friends, who are seeing me
working my ass off, are not understanding at all, what the hell I am doing.

When we now calculate an estimated street price of 2500 $US, does that not automaticly
mean, that we will become rhich, with this synth. It is more a very riskfull operation.
There is no bank nowhere saying - "you are doing a new synth? Oh, great - we are proud
to help you" 
If I would like to make some money, I would do something different. But I am one of
this stupid guys, who are still designing hardware synths. People around me are already
have their own house, a cool car and are spending 4-6 weeks a year for holidays. I am
now telling my wife for the second time, that I will not find the time for holidays
this year, my car costed the half of one spectralis and I am trying to explain my
neighbours, why I will not spend so much time for my garden.
But - I am happy with this situation. I don't need a new car, I don't need holidays -
it's four in the morning and I try to explain, why a good synth costs some money and
hope, that everyone in the world will understand that;-)
I am designing now a synth, I always dreamed of. My dream never was a cheap toy. I
dreamed of something special. Maybe it is not everyones dream and maybe, for a lot of
people it only will be a dream. But for me, this dream will become reality, because I
am spending all my time only for this project and because I know, that I will get one
of these for free;-) But believe me or not - when I count all the extra hours of work
for it, I am the one who pays the biggest price. But I am willing to pay because I
know, what I am getting for it. It's OK for me, when you say that my baby is too
expensive. I am sure, there are at least a few hundred people out there, who are
willing to pay. That is not enough to do big advertisings and it is not enough to look
into a better future but maybe it is just enough to keep Radikal on the market and me
in the position, to realize some more dreams.

-- 
yours,
niall.
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On Aug 7, 2004, at 1:41 AM, niall munnelly wrote:

>  i thought i'd include a great post from joerg radikal/quasimidi that 
> he drafted in
>  response to carping about the price of the spectralis.

ok. this is officially WAY off topic and is simply bloating the archive 
(not to mention the
size of the emails everyone on digest will receive).  although the 
spectralis is certainly
interesting and cool and several of us would like to hear more, it is 
still off topic and should
have just been left with a link. so please refrain from taking it much 
further.  thanks!

Joe

p.s. I'm not trying to be a group nazi, but I know this thread will get 
deleted by the
administrator (and rightly so) if it carries on.  so I thought I'd nip 
it in the bud :-)

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Yo that's not cool.  

The situation with Radikal is quite similar to Elektron's.  Both are small boutique companies making unique hand built synthesizers whose product(s) have very similar characteristics.  The price bit rears it head (and rightfully so) in almost every conversation I've had with un-Elektron initiated musicians ($1200 bux for a drum machine!!??).  

The views expressed in his write up are totally legitimate to the small groups of people who appreciate quality/inspired hardware - Elektron users obviously included (I'd bet Daniel at Elektron would say something very similar if a price point were brought up about his elektron instruments).

Personally, I'm glad I got to read it.  I'll be one of those few scratching to get the dough to put a Spectralis beside my aluminum Swedish beauties.


		
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On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 01:55:11AM -0400, Joseph Melnyk wrote:

> ok. this is officially WAY off topic and is simply bloating the archive 
> (not to mention the
> size of the emails everyone on digest will receive).

yeah, i thought of putting an [offtopic] in the subject, but forgot at the last minute.
the real drag was that there was no permalink to the post.

anyway, all apologies for the lengthy response - i meant well.

-- 
yours,
niall.
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On Aug 7, 2004, at 2:17 AM, kenny brush wrote:

>  Personally, I'm glad I got to read it.  I'll be one of those few 
> scratching to get the dough to put a Spectralis beside my aluminum 
> Swedish beauties.

as I said: some of us *are* interested in it. but it's still off-topic. 
those who aren't interested
likely don't want to consume their bandwidth downloading a discussion 
they don't
care about.  so there's no need to continue it.  I hope we can end it 
right here. if you
want to discuss the matter further, please email me off list.

again, I'm not trying to be a jerk; I'm just trying to keep things in 
line with the group's
moderators wishes and the opinions its members have mentioned previously
regarding off-topic posting.

Joe

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so much more quite compared to the MnM? 


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> On Aug 7, 2004, at 2:17 AM, kenny brush wrote:
> 
>>  Personally, I'm glad I got to read it.  I'll be one of those few
>> scratching to get the dough to put a Spectralis beside my aluminum
>> Swedish beauties.
> 
> as I said: some of us *are* interested in it. but it's still off-topic.
> those who aren't interested
> likely don't want to consume their bandwidth downloading a discussion
> they don't
> care about.  so there's no need to continue it.  I hope we can end it
> right here. if you
> want to discuss the matter further, please email me off list.
> 
> again, I'm not trying to be a jerk; I'm just trying to keep things in
> line with the group's
> moderators wishes and the opinions its members have mentioned previously
> regarding off-topic posting.
> 
> Joe
> 

Look - just relax. The thread is not TOTALLY off-topic, some people are
interested, and it will die of its own accord. I think that you are being
way over-zealous. You aren't the moderator.

On Aug 7, 2004, at 1:17 PM, Gene Schwartz wrote:

>  Look - just relax. The thread is not TOTALLY off-topic, some people 
> are
>  interested, and it will die of its own accord.

again, I'm just trying to keep the group in line with opinions 
expressed by the moderators
and its members.

>  I think that you are being
>  way over-zealous. You aren't the moderator.

actually, I am one of them; hence my motivation for taking such actions.

Joe

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