Elektron Musical Instruments

> Look - just relax. The thread is not TOTALLY off-topic, some people are
> interested, and it will die of its own accord. I think that you are being
> way over-zealous. You aren't the moderator.

Hehe,,, Yes he is... the group is moderated by Joe and Myself.

--- "M-.-n" <nostromo@...> wrote:

> > Look - just relax. The thread is not TOTALLY
> off-topic, some people are
> > interested, and it will die of its own accord. I
> think that you are being
> > way over-zealous. You aren't the moderator.
> 
> Hehe,,, Yes he is... the group is moderated by Joe
> and Myself. 
> 

Not a very cool moderator is he
maybe he could work on his moderation technique


		
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The Elektron pack is sweet!
Been using the factory boxes to tote the machines around to friends houses and shows, but they've been getting torn to hell.  The pack is gonna be a god send.
Too cool for school!!!

Site looks great=)

Elektron updated the site and it's looking good! 
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Yea.  I just saw that bag.  I'm thinking of getting one.  I'm not sure
how well it is for travelling.  Padding, etc.  I'm not even sure if I
could pay 50$ more for a hardcase somewhere else.  But in an airplane,
I don't think I want the MD far from me.  I'd rather go down with the
MD in my arms.

I'd like to know if anyone has one here.

I might just get it anyway.  My other bag is getting old.  Besides I
have to order my replacement LCD cover.

Anyone remember when I said it was cracked.  Still is!

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> The Elektron pack is sweet!
> Been using the factory boxes to tote the machines around to friends
houses and shows, but they've been getting torn to hell.  The pack is
gonna be a god send.
> Too cool for school!!!
> 
> Site looks great=)
> 
> Elektron updated the site and it's looking good! 
> Let's all focus on producing music rather than
> fighting over who's right or wrong. :)
> 
> Peace!
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i've already sent this to elektron support, but i thought i'd troll for knowledge here,
as well.

hello, elektron -

i've been having some problems with my machinedrum.

everything will start out okay, but as time goes on, certain functionalities will
"disappear":

sequencing in extended mode, i can't delete notes in a sequence by simply tapping them.
i have to [function + clear + tap note] to delete them, or change to classic mode.

if i have a sequence that runs 32 beats, i can't switch to the second page in either
classic or extended mode.  i'll tap and tap, but the page won't turn.  that's no
good if the song's reached a point when the cowbell just isn't appropriate ;)


...both of these problems are redressed by a power-cycle, but neither of these are very
conducive to live performances! 

any thoughts you would share are greatly appreciated.

i'm using OS 1.12b, and my serial number is H30901315-45

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On Aug 10, 2004, at 12:26 AM, endlessnessisticman wrote:

>  I'm not even sure if I
>  could pay 50$ more for a hardcase somewhere else.

actually, although I think the bag is a great idea, a pelican 1500 case 
(which
holds the MD beautifully, I'm told) runs about the same; in USD at 
least.

>   But in an airplane,
>  I don't think I want the MD far from me.  I'd rather go down with the
>  MD in my arms.

ha!  yeah, the bag looks sweet.  I look at it the same way I look at 
cases for my
drums: if I'm not going to be handling them the whole time or they'll 
be banging
around a van, hard cases are the way to go. otherwise, for taking them 
to and
from band rehearsals or gigs in my car where I'm the only one moving 
them and
I don't want the weight of a heavy duty case to wear on me, I'll go 
with bags.  the
same goes for porting the MD to friends, gigs and coffee shops 
(although I think
Damon Menne is the only one that does that! :-)  But for air travel or 
touring, a
hard case is certainly better.

> I'd like to know if anyone has one here.

doubt it. they just came out. Novamusik had them listed on their site 
for the past
month or so, but I asked awhile back and was told that they weren't 
produced yet
(no idea why Nova jumped the gun).

>  Anyone remember when I said it was cracked.  Still is!

I remember.  That was over a year ago!  Just can't bear to part with 
it, huh?  :-)

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maybe try the 1.19beta OS, some of your problems may be addressed.

List of changes from Machinedrum SPS-1 OS 1.12 to 1.19   
------------------------------------------------------


Bugfixes 
--------

Song-slot remembered incorrectly. Fixed.

The famous mute-bug in song mode. If the scale setup was set to 
the second part of the pattern the song mutes can't be changed. 
Fixed.

Clear track undo doesn't work. Fixed.

Parameter locks error with linked machines. Fixed.

When changing speed, depth or shmix, the LFO-menu and exiting to the 
routing page the parameters were not updated correctly. Fixed.

When playing short notes with the MIDI machines and using swing the 
note offs could be forgotten. Fixed.

MIDI machines send too much MIDI. MW, PB, PC and CC's should only be 
sent when the value actually has changed. Fixed.

The first note sent from MIDI machines when in song mode was 
duplicated. Fixed.

Manual mutes of MIDI machines did not occur simultaneously with 
muting of internal tracks. Fixed.

MIDI note off as 0x80 was not recognized, sorry for that. Fixed.

Inconsequent display of pattern looping in song mode. Fixed.

The sound selection LED's did not always correctly show what notes 
was played. Fixed.

Pressing any of the bank buttons or trying to do a copy/paste/clear 
when in play and having opened the MIDI map editor resulted in very 
strange behaviour. Fixed.

Copy and paste of single notes with function held down could lead to 
the Machinedrum behaving strangely. (Please note there is no need to 
actually hold function to copy or paste a single note, just holding 
the trig button and pressing the appropriate copy/clear/past button 
will do). Fixed.

The octave nr was not displayed correctly in the global slot-midi-map 
editor. Fixed.

If releasing the bank button before the trig button when selecting a 
pattern in non record mode, and then selecting multiple patterns with 
the same bank button pressed pattern chaining could occur when it 
shouldn't. Fixed.

After pressing a pattern bank button while the one hand pattern 
section 
counter was visible only one pattern could be selected as long as the 
pattern bank button was pressed. Fixed.

When pressing stop the sent MIDI Timing Clock could be disturbed. A 
device using Machindrum as master clock would fluctuate in tempo. 
Fixed.

Various MIDI timing problems where resolved.

When receiving song pointer position and in song mode and on a row 
with repeat and receiving a continue the song would be played back 
incorrectly. Fixed.

Im still waiting for the bag for the monomachine with the keyboard, 
Yyeah that would be cool. I mean They have this slightly expensensive 
keyboard, they should have a bag for it. Eventually...

Sincerely,
Patrick

On Tue Aug 10 2004, zebraoner <zebraoner@...> wrote:

>  Im still waiting for the bag for the monomachine with the keyboard, 
> Yyeah that would be cool. I mean They have this slightly expensensive 
> keyboard, they should have a bag for it. Eventually...

I've carried my keyboard mono in a bag. Damn! That machine is HEAVY! I'd 
like a bag like those guitarists have, you carry it like a back pack and 
not over the shoulder or carrying it normally.

/Janne

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Automatic Panic
<thesoundzoneinfo@y...> wrote:
> 
> Elektron updated the site and it's looking good! 

wow! there's trancey posters available!! ;)

On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 06:02:21AM -0000, analogback wrote:
> maybe try the 1.19beta OS, some of your problems may be addressed.

daniel elektron had the same advice, so i thought i'd give it a whirl.

i didn't last very long on 1.19.

i've taken a shine to using the machinedrum as the master clock, at least while i'm
"jamming", under 1.12b.  digital performer 4.1 doesn't recognize 1.19's
start/stop/continue messages.  this is why i know nothing's changed in DP:

1. DP starts playback automatically when it detects the presence of the MD's clock (basically,
you tell DP that it doesn't need start/stop/continue messages to start).  when the default mode is engaged,
DP doesn't start playback.

2. i reverted to 1.12b, and DP behaves as expected.

3. just in case some wiseguy asks, yeah, sync out was enabled under 1.19.  cf #1  ;)


reading the bugfix list provided, i've surmised that the problems i've encountered are
probably the result of using the [function] key for copy/clear/paste operations.  i
can't help it, it seemed logically consistent, and i can be slavish, that way.  =)

so i figure i'll stick with 1.12 until this sync transmission issue is resolved,
and take especial care not to abuse the [function] key.

thanks!

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> so i figure i'll stick with 1.12 until this sync transmission issue 
is resolved,

Report it to Elektron, so that they will know it and fix it.

Toni.

i don't know if a list is being maintained, but here's my bit:

i verified with midi monitor for os X that OS 1.19 doesn't send start/stop/continue
messages, but OS 1.12 does.

this means that if you're synchronizing your sequencer (or your instrument) to the
machinedrum (OS 1.19), it won't respond when you hit play or stop on the SPS-1.

it seems unlikely that this could be chalked up to software, but both OSs have been tested with digital performer and with logic.  i'd appreciate it
if some of you would kindly corroborate.


thanks!



{on a side note, i see that OS 1.19 has undone my .midnam document, since program
changes now change patterns, and not kits.  meh.}

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Sory but for my own, MD OS 1.19 sending synch to ableton live seems to work 
fine. When i push play live begin to play and the same thing with stop button ! 

Selon niall munnelly <aleph@...>:

> i don't know if a list is being maintained, but here's my bit:
> 
> i verified with midi monitor for os X that OS 1.19 doesn't send
> start/stop/continue
> messages, but OS 1.12 does.
> 
> this means that if you're synchronizing your sequencer (or your instrument)
> to the
> machinedrum (OS 1.19), it won't respond when you hit play or stop on the
> SPS-1.
> 
> it seems unlikely that this could be chalked up to software, but both OSs
> have been tested with digital performer and with logic.  i'd appreciate it
> if some of you would kindly corroborate.
> 
> 
> thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> {on a side note, i see that OS 1.19 has undone my .midnam document, since
> program
> changes now change patterns, and not kits.  meh.}
> 
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On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 11:23:28PM +0200, no6@... wrote:
> Sory but for my own, MD OS 1.19 sending synch to ableton live seems to work 
> fine. When i push play live begin to play and the same thing with stop button ! 

now, that's interesting!

so, ableton is starting and stopping when you press the respective buttons on the
machinedrum.  could you see if the machinedrum is sending those commands? if you're
using os X, there's an app, called "midi monitor", that will display any midi received
from your devices.  in windows, i don't know, maybe midiOX or midiYoke will do the job.
if you'd have a look at what the MD is sending to your computer when you start,
pause and stop the machinedrum, i'd really appreciate it...
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On Aug 15, 2004, at 11:25 PM, niall munnelly wrote:

>  so, ableton is starting and stopping when you press the respective 
> buttons on the
>  machinedrum.  could you see if the machinedrum is sending those 
> commands? if you're
>  using os X, there's an app, called "midi monitor", that will display 
> any midi received
>  from your devices.

same thing here.  the MD sends Live clock and sync commands.  you want 
to set
global->sync->ctrl as well as global->sync->tempo out to "ON" and you 
should have
the same behavior.

I checked it with MIDI Monitor: the start and stop (and continue) 
commands do get
sent as well as "all notes off" for each of the 16 channels when the 
stop button
is pressed a second time.

so I guess either your MD is setup wrong in the global menu or your 
software or
interface is messed up?

good luck!  :-)
Joe

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On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 12:21:04AM -0400, Joseph Melnyk wrote:

> I checked it with MIDI Monitor: the start and stop (and continue) 
> commands do get
> sent as well as "all notes off" for each of the 16 channels when the 
> stop button
> is pressed a second time.
> 

curiouser and curiouser.  i know that i've enabled sync out because a) i did it ;) and
b) midi monitor, DP and everything see the clock itself.  i'm just not getting the
start/stop/continue commands.  is there a new setting to configure in os 1.19 to
transmit those?

i'm reluctant to blame the interface or my programs, because 1.12 actually works.

well, at least i'm in the minority, now.  time to laod up 1.19 again and see what we
can see.

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On Aug 16, 2004, at 12:32 AM, niall munnelly wrote:

>  curiouser and curiouser.  i know that i've enabled sync out because 
> a) i did it ;) and
>  b) midi monitor, DP and everything see the clock itself.

not sync out; control out is what you need to set.  sync out is just 
the clock,
control out sends the start/stop/continue messages.

>   i'm just not getting the
>  start/stop/continue commands.  is there a new setting to configure in 
> os 1.19 to
>  transmit those?

nothing different than 1.12

>  i'm reluctant to blame the interface or my programs, because 1.12 
> actually works.
>  well, at least i'm in the minority, now.  time to laod up 1.19 again 
> and see what we
>  can see.

yeah if it's worked under 1.12 then it's not your software or 
interface.  it's probably
just an incorrect setting in 1.19, I'd imagine.

Joe


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On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 01:44:40AM -0400, Joseph Melnyk wrote:

> not sync out; control out is what you need to set.  sync out is just 
> the clock,
> control out sends the start/stop/continue messages.

aha!

> nothing different than 1.12

not quite: control out is new to OS 1.19.  enabling sync out sent both clock and s/s/c messages in 1.12.  i guess this is more flexible, but it's not documented in the change notes =)

this was really the only thing keeping me from using 1.19.  thanks, guys.



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