Elektron Musical Instruments

Hiya guys and gals,

Thing is right Cubase can't sync to an external MIDI clock, right?

OK so if the Machinedrum likes to be the boss as far as syncing goes 
how the hell does a bloke get Cubase to sync to it?

I need to sync them, I need MD as master because the timing is 
shocking if not - out by about 600 samples before or after the beat!

So how do I do it?

How do you guys/gals do it?

Pleeeeease help...

Martyn

> I need to sync them, I need MD as master because the timing is 
> shocking if not - out by about 600 samples before or after the beat!

If you can't sync them in any possible way, you might want to do a 
sync-kit, where you put impulse machine on every pad and trigger it 
once on a pattern. Now put this pattern at the start of the song (if 
you use one). Now you can record every pad separated from Md without 
any sync and sync them later on with impulse-trig at the start of 
every file. Hope this helps somehow your problems.

Toni.

Sound interesting Toni,

Thing is I don't understand this, would you mind taking a minute to 
explain.  Apologies but I am an absolute newbie to the MD.

Drammy

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "tahvenaine2002" 
<toni.ahvenainen@p...> wrote:
> 
> > I need to sync them, I need MD as master because the timing is 
> > shocking if not - out by about 600 samples before or after the 
beat!
> 
> If you can't sync them in any possible way, you might want to do a 
> sync-kit, where you put impulse machine on every pad and trigger it 
> once on a pattern. Now put this pattern at the start of the song 
(if 
> you use one). Now you can record every pad separated from Md 
without 

> any sync and sync them later on with impulse-trig at the start of 
> every file. Hope this helps somehow your problems.
> 
> Toni.

> Sound interesting Toni,
> 
> Thing is I don't understand this, would you mind taking a minute to 
> explain.  Apologies but I am an absolute newbie to the MD.
> 
> Drammy

Sorry for late answer, I've been away from computer. What I ment was 
this (it may or may not help you):

1. I usually do my beats in song mode (after I've done some patterns 
of course). I record them to Cubase via sync start. So no midi-clock 
sync I just get Start-command from Cubase. I found that there is some 
midi latency or something in my system. This means cubase sends start 
command sometimes a little late/early (some ms's). When I want to 
record every 16 pads to different tracks in cubase, this won't work 
correctly (tracks are not in sync with). 

2. I did try to slave MD to midi clock. I get's better like this, but 
then I loose the swing (it is quantized to 50, 60, 70, or 80%). I did 
couple of songs this way, but I didn't like to loose groove.

3. As I just want to record my pads to different tracks and MD is 
running very stable on it's own clock (well, it differs a little 
after a minute or so), I thought out to make a what I call a 'Sync-
kit'. It's kit with GND-IM (impulse) machine on every 16 pads and in 
pattern all machines are triggered one time (for example on step 
one). Then I just put 'sync-kit' to very first bar of the song and 
record every pad as a single file in cubase (I dont' even need the 
start-command). 

4. Now every 16 file has a one trigger of GND-IM machine on a start 
of a recording. Now I just align these GND-IM triggers sample 
accurate and what I get is a decent recording with good swing. 

Now as I said this may or may not help you. I you only want to record 
your MD to different tracks then its ok. If you are syncing it with 
something coming from machine, well then it's a different case. There 
is still a thing that I haven't figured out. If you record something 
like 2 minutes, then different tracks will start to loose the sync at 
the end of the record. You can demostrate this by recording for 
example a BD to cubase two times and see how they start to loose. If 
anyone has any info on this, I would like to hear..

Toni.

Thats great Toni,

Thanks for the response and I will give it a go for sure.

As for the timing going out I agree, if anyone has any info on this 
then please share it.

Thanks again

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "tahvenaine2002" 
<toni.ahvenainen@p...> wrote:
> 
> > Sound interesting Toni,
> > 
> > Thing is I don't understand this, would you mind taking a minute 
to 
> > explain.  Apologies but I am an absolute newbie to the MD.
> > 
> > Drammy
> 
> Sorry for late answer, I've been away from computer. What I ment 
was 
> this (it may or may not help you):
> 
> 1. I usually do my beats in song mode (after I've done some 
patterns 
> of course). I record them to Cubase via sync start. So no midi-
clock 
> sync I just get Start-command from Cubase. I found that there is 
some 
> midi latency or something in my system. This means cubase sends 
start 
> command sometimes a little late/early (some ms's). When I want to 
> record every 16 pads to different tracks in cubase, this won't work 
> correctly (tracks are not in sync with). 
> 
> 2. I did try to slave MD to midi clock. I get's better like this, 
but 
> then I loose the swing (it is quantized to 50, 60, 70, or 80%). I 
did 
> couple of songs this way, but I didn't like to loose groove.
> 
> 3. As I just want to record my pads to different tracks and MD is 
> running very stable on it's own clock (well, it differs a little 
> after a minute or so), I thought out to make a what I call a 'Sync-
> kit'. It's kit with GND-IM (impulse) machine on every 16 pads and 
in 
> pattern all machines are triggered one time (for example on step 
> one). Then I just put 'sync-kit' to very first bar of the song and 
> record every pad as a single file in cubase (I dont' even need the 
> start-command). 
> 
> 4. Now every 16 file has a one trigger of GND-IM machine on a start 
> of a recording. Now I just align these GND-IM triggers sample 
> accurate and what I get is a decent recording with good swing. 
> 
> Now as I said this may or may not help you. I you only want to 
record 
> your MD to different tracks then its ok. If you are syncing it with 
> something coming from machine, well then it's a different case. 
There 
> is still a thing that I haven't figured out. If you record 
something 
> like 2 minutes, then different tracks will start to loose the sync 
at 
> the end of the record. You can demostrate this by recording for 
> example a BD to cubase two times and see how they start to loose. 
If 

> anyone has any info on this, I would like to hear..
> 
> Toni.