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Re: [emax] emax version 2 board SCSI upgrade in action...

2008-10-30 by Ted Summers

You don't actually have to wrap the wire. just add a little solder to  
the connection point.
Remove the iron and let it cool for a few seconds.
Reheat and stick  the stripped wire into the molten solder.
Pull the iron away after about 3 seconds and make sure the wire stays  
attached by gently giving a little tug.
if it stays it should be connected fine.
If not, try again. just don't heat any connection for more than a few  
seconds at a time. If not successful, then let things cool down before  
trying again.

Regards,
Ted

On Oct 29, 2008, at 7:58 PM, Jip Harrio wrote:

Ted,

I received the kit in the mail today. I have removed the PCB from the  
keyboard and is getting ready now to start wiring.

Question: How do I use this wire wrap wire? Do I wrap it on the post  
and then apply a tad bit of solder?

Reggio

--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

 > From: Ted Summers <djtbs1@...>
 > Subject: Re: [emax] emax version 2 board SCSI upgrade in action...
 > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
 > Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 4:54 PM
 > I think even with the solder sucker Radio shack iron (I have
 > used one
 > before, but dunno if I still have it), that breaking apart
 > the socket
 > with hobby knife or similar (careful not to cut any traces
 > below the
 > socket) is still a good idea. Parts of the socket can come
 > off without
 > having to successfully remove solder from all 24 pins.
 >
 > So I agree with previous post.
 >
 > Also- with that solder bulb iron. If you have some dead
 > board or
 > something from any dead electronics, use that for desolder
 > practice
 > first.
 >
 >
 > Just my .02
 >
 > Regards,
 > Ted
 >
 >
 >
 > On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:03 PM, Jip Harrio wrote:
 >
 > That's is good to know. I will look for one in the
 > coming days.
 >
 > Reggio
 >
 > --- On Mon, 10/27/08, sm papke
 > <mothrecords@...> wrote:
 >
 > > From: sm papke <mothrecords@...>
 > > Subject: Re: [emax] emax version 2 board SCSI upgrade
 > in action...
 > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
 > > Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 12:49 PM
 > > Yes, the Radio Shack "Desoldering Iron"
 > part#
 > > 64-2060 works like a charm! I used one last night to
 > > de-solder some delicate voice chips, with very
 > minimal heat.
 > > It can be a bit awkward to use at first though..
 > > Cheers
 > >
 > >
 > > --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Dave Sotnick
 > > <sotnickd@...> wrote:
 > >
 > > > From: Dave Sotnick <sotnickd@...>
 > > > Subject: Re: [emax] emax version 2 board SCSI
 > upgrade
 > > in action...
 > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
 > > > Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:37 AM
 > > > Reggio,
 > > >
 > > > I seriously doubt Radio Shack would carry
 > something
 > > like
 > > > this:
 > > >
 > > >
 > >
 > http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=609
 > > >
 > > > They're quite expensive and typically used
 > by
 > > > technicians at service centers.
 > > >
 > > > It is possible to use "desoldering
 > braid" or
 > > > various kinds of
 > > > desoldering tools (that use suction and heat at
 > the
 > > same
 > > > time) to melt
 > > > and then suck the solder out of soldering
 > joints. I
 > > think
 > > > Radio Shack
 > > > used to sell a soldering iron with desoldering
 > bulb
 > > (for
 > > > suction)
 > > > attached.
 > > >
 > > > Another thing to watch out for is over-heating
 > > components
 > > > when
 > > > attempting to desolder components/sockets. Heat
 > > travels
 > > > very well
 > > > through the delicate traces on circuit boards,
 > and
 > > it's
 > > > possible to
 > > > damage some components if they get too hot.
 > > >
 > > > -Dave
 > > >
 > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Jip Harrio
 > > > <harrioj@...> wrote:
 > > > > Julian,
 > > > >
 > > > > It's good to know that you in the
 > process of
 > > > actually doing this project. I
 > > > > am about to get started myself.
 > > > >
 > > > > Just curious what this "rework
 > station"
 > > is.
 > > > Is this something I could
 > > > > possibly find at Radio Shack?
 > > > >
 > > > > As I was reviewing step 2 in the
 > "Retro
 > > > Instructions" I opened up my Emax
 > > > > and discovered that the trace between 11
 > and 12
 > > > instead of 12-13 on IC2 has
 > > > > already been cut.
 > > > >
 > > > > Do you think that this will create a
 > problem for
 > > me?
 > > > And is there a
 > > > > recommended way to rejoin the trace?
 > > > >
 > > > > I too am planning to add the SCSI port from
 > the
 > > back
 > > > instead of adding a
 > > > > hard drive.
 > > > >
 > > > > I will be tracking your project in hopes
 > staying
 > > safe
 > > > with this project. I
 > > > > don't do this type of stuff often but I
 > > believe
 > > > that I can do this project
 > > > > will some good reference and guidance.
 > > > >
 > > > > Reggio
 > > > >
 > > > > --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Julian
 > > > <jujulilianan@...> wrote:
 > > > >
 > > > >> From: Julian
 > > <jujulilianan@...>
 > > > >> Subject: [emax] emax version 2 board
 > SCSI
 > > upgrade
 > > > in action...
 > > > >> To: emax@yahoogroups.com
 > > > >> Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 12:00
 > AM
 > > > >
 > > > >> well, seeing as we're tralking
 > about what
 > > > it's like
 > > > >> to upgrade a version
 > > > >> 2 emax, I started work on my version 2
 > board
 > > at
 > > > home
 > > > >> yesterday
 > > > >> afternoon, (having skimmed the mod
 > sheet and
 > > seen
 > > > all the
 > > > >> drawings
 > > > >> thinking it was just a bunch of cut and
 > > rewires -
 > > > and
 > > > >> thinking "ooh!
 > > > >> simple!")
 > > > >>
 > > > >> then as I was going through I got to
 > the
 > > dreaded
 > > > U13....
 > > > >>
 > > > >> So I took the board into work today and
 > just
 > > had
 > > > the socket
 > > > >> out in 2
 > > > >> minutes with a rework station, but if I
 > > didn't
 > > > have one
 > > > >> of those
 > > > >> available to me, it would have been a
 > lot
 > > more
 > > > painful -
 > > > >> would require
 > > > >> cutting up the socket into pieces with
 > your
 > > craft
 > > > knife,
 > > > >> and
 > > > >> pulling/cleaning every pin hole
 > separately -
 > > a
 > > > good half
 > > > >> hour plus of
 > > > >> work, if you wanted to do a neat job.
 > > > >>
 > > > >> so tonight I'll hopefully have time
 > to
 > > put in
 > > > the new
 > > > >> socket (yes the
 > > > >> PCB has a footprint for a 28 pin part -
 > they
 > > just
 > > > only
 > > > >> placed a 24 pin
 > > > >> socket... bastards! all this hassle,
 > and
 > > future
 > > > upgrade
 > > > >> expense for
 > > > >> their customers, so they could save a
 > > fraction of
 > > > a cent
 > > > >> per build!) and
 > > > >> finish the rest of the cutting and
 > wiring.
 > > > >>
 > > > >> sometime later this week I'll
 > double
 > > check my
 > > > work, and
 > > > >> then put it
 > > > >> together and see how the upgrade went.
 > > > >>
 > > > >>
 > > > >> I'd estimate for anyone going to a
 > > halfway
 > > > decent tech
 > > > >> with a basic
 > > > >> desoldering gun, that there's about
 > 1.5
 > > hours
 > > > work from
 > > > >> sealed case
 > > > >> without the SCSI mods to sealed case
 > with the
 > > SCSI
 > > > mods....
 > > > >> at least for
 > > > >> the version 2 PCB in an emax rack - not
 > sure
 > > how
 > > > simple the
 > > > >> keyboard
 > > > >> comes apart and back together.
 > > > >>
 > > > >>
 > > > >>
 > > > >> I'm also very very interested in
 > taking a
 > > SCSI
 > > > port out
 > > > >> the back of my
 > > > >> emax.... half tempted to do a simple
 > remake
 > > of the
 > > > original
 > > > >> emax version
 > > > >> 2 SCSI adapter PCB. would be very
 > simple to
 > > route
 > > > and make.
 > > > >> might have
 > > > >> to spend an hour or two working out
 > what pins
 > > on
 > > > the 50 way
 > > > >> headers
 > > > >> route to the header that goes to the
 > D25....
 > > will
 > > > >> research.... If I do
 > > > >> make a design up, I'll be getting a
 > bunch
 > > of
 > > > them
 > > > >> made.... is anyone
 > > > >> else interested in this?
 > > > >>
 > > > >>
 > > > >>
 > > > >>
 > > > >>
 > > > >> --
 > > > >> http://bleepin.com
 > > > >>
 > > > >> --
 > > > >> http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an
 > email
 > > service
 > > > should be
 > > > >
 > > > >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
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