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Drum Sampling Techniques

2015-04-14 by bry_204@...

Hey guys,

Since I've never come across a topic like this on the Emax group, thought we could talk about drum sampling techniques used for processing on the Emax.

I tend to like sampling my drum shots an octave higher, then pitching them down an octave once inside the Emax. This really brings out that "ring" artifact similar to the SP1200. I found that, only pitching them samples up 6 semitones wasn't enough to get that sound like the SP1200.

I tend to like samples mostly at 31kHz and 28kHz. Some hits really punch at 20kHz though, the ring can be really aggressive at that sample rate when pitching the hits up an octave.

I can go into more detail on how I do batch processing, if there's an interest.

Anyone else have a favorite sample technique?

I really was trying to get similar drums to:
I know Wolfgang Gartner has talked about using the Emax for his drum processing in older interviews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItEJOltvlNI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkvXO45XL-c

Re: [emax] Drum Sampling Techniques

2015-04-15 by Niklas Ehrlin

I have still only used my Emax with factory disks, but I will for sure try to explore the drum (and other sound) sampling possibilities.

For now my favorite sampler to use quick and with nice artefact is the Akai s-612. Its quick to sample and when I have a melody or bass, I usually throw in a sound there and let that play the part. (No saving possibilities yet thou, as my QD-drive is kaputt.. surprise, surprise..)

And yes - its always nice to here how people work with their machines! Thansk for charing

/NIklas

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2015-04-14 17:03 GMT+02:00 bry_204@... [emax] <emax@yahoogroups.com>:

Hey guys,

Since I've never come across a topic like this on the Emax group, thought we could talk about drum sampling techniques used for processing on the Emax.

I tend to like sampling my drum shots an octave higher, then pitching them down an octave once inside the Emax. This really brings out that "ring" artifact similar to the SP1200. I found that, only pitching them samples up 6 semitones wasn't enough to get that sound like the SP1200.

I tend to like samples mostly at 31kHz and 28kHz. Some hits really punch at 20kHz though, the ring can be really aggressive at that sample rate when pitching the hits up an octave.

I can go into more detail on how I do batch processing, if there's an interest.

Anyone else have a favorite sample technique?

I really was trying to get similar drums to:
I know Wolfgang Gartner has talked about using the Emax for his drum processing in older interviews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItEJOltvlNI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkvXO45XL-c

Re: Drum Sampling Techniques

2015-04-15 by bry_204@...

Yeah,

I've tried many different methods for doing a huge batch processing of samples.

I usually use a program called TwistedWave, load up a whole batch of say 909 kick drums, 30+ or more samples etc. Batch process them up 12 semitones.

Then I load them all in Ableton Live on 1 track in a row, send them off to the Emax, then pitch them back down 12 semitones recording into Live.

I then normalize, take the massive tracks into Pro Tools, use beat detective to detect all transients which then automatically cuts them at each hit.

Then I use another the strip silence function to remove excess "air" or "space" at the end of samples. Then within the strip silence there is batch renaming function.

After all this, just selecting all on the region list, and exporting as individual wav files.

Takes a lot of time recording all the hits, I've made some pretty huge 909/808 libraries using all sample rates in the Emax.

Still debating if I've done everything the best possible way, sometimes wonder if +12 semitones is a bit aggressive on the aliasing. I've tried doing +5,+6,+7,+8 etc, still end up liking the +12 the most.

One thing I've found though with the Emax, if you take the sample you've made at +12 and wanted it down say another semitone, sure you can pitch it in Ableton which is fine to do. But from what I've noticed the sample doing it +13 in the Emax ends up sounding better. This is a real pain, because it's virtually impossible to sample every single pitch change that you may possibility use in the future.

It's amazing what character this sampler has. I tend to like 31kHz/28kHz the most, sometimes the punch with 20kHz can be nuts on the right kick drum though.

Hopefully this helps anyone if they want to look into batch processing.

I should mention, I like to hit the input on the Emax pretty hard, usually the input monitoring level just slighty bouncing off the screen gives a nice digital clipping to the samples. Looks more like a "sawtooth" type of clipping vs "square wave" when you look at the sample in a DAW. The converters rock in this thing.

I also should mention, I never use the left/right outputs. There is less gain and more noise. I still have that high pitched whining issue with mine, never got the backlight inverter removed yet after I replaced the screen with a new LED.

Re: [emax] Drum Sampling Techniques

2015-04-16 by Robin Sutcliffe

Niklas if you use a PC you can use an ATARI emulator (STEEM is the best one) to run this editor posted here:

http://fa.utfs.org/diy/akai_s612/

You can then save and load samples from your S612 to your pc in a virtual drive for the ST.

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On 15 April 2015 at 16:20, Niklas Ehrlin niklas.ehrlin@... [emax] <emax@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I have still only used my Emax with factory disks, but I will for sure try to explore the drum (and other sound) sampling possibilities.
For now my favorite sampler to use quick and with nice artefact is the Akai s-612. Its quick to sample and when I have a melody or bass, I usually throw in a sound there and let that play the part. (No saving possibilities yet thou, as my QD-drive is kaputt.. surprise, surprise..)

And yes - its always nice to here how people work with their machines! Thansk for charing
/NIklas

2015-04-14 17:03 GMT+02:00 bry_204@yahoo.com [emax] <emax@yahoogroups.com>:

Hey guys,

Since I've never come across a topic like this on the Emax group, thought we could talk about drum sampling techniques used for processing on the Emax.

I tend to like sampling my drum shots an octave higher, then pitching them down an octave once inside the Emax. This really brings out that "ring" artifact similar to the SP1200. I found that, only pitching them samples up 6 semitones wasn't enough to get that sound like the SP1200.

I tend to like samples mostly at 31kHz and 28kHz. Some hits really punch at 20kHz though, the ring can be really aggressive at that sample rate when pitching the hits up an octave.

I can go into more detail on how I do batch processing, if there's an interest.

Anyone else have a favorite sample technique?

I really was trying to get similar drums to:
I know Wolfgang Gartner has talked about using the Emax for his drum processing in older interviews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItEJOltvlNI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkvXO45XL-c

Re: [emax] Drum Sampling Techniques

2015-04-16 by Niklas Ehrlin

Thanks, I have seen that program, and maybe it's time to start emulating an Atari (gotta love the speech sythesis :))

But does that editor use midi to transfer samples back and forth?

Niklas

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2015-04-16 10:33 GMT+02:00 Robin Sutcliffe rssutcliffe@... [emax] <emax@yahoogroups.com>:

Niklas if you use a PC you can use an ATARI emulator (STEEM is the best one) to run this editor posted here:

http://fa.utfs.org/diy/akai_s612/

You can then save and load samples from your S612 to your pc in a virtual drive for the ST.

On 15 April 2015 at 16:20, Niklas Ehrlin niklas.ehrlin@... [emax] <emax@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I have still only used my Emax with factory disks, but I will for sure try to explore the drum (and other sound) sampling possibilities.
For now my favorite sampler to use quick and with nice artefact is the Akai s-612. Its quick to sample and when I have a melody or bass, I usually throw in a sound there and let that play the part. (No saving possibilities yet thou, as my QD-drive is kaputt.. surprise, surprise..)

And yes - its always nice to here how people work with their machines! Thansk for charing
/NIklas

2015-04-14 17:03 GMT+02:00 bry_204@... [emax] <emax@yahoogroups.com>:

Hey guys,

Since I've never come across a topic like this on the Emax group, thought we could talk about drum sampling techniques used for processing on the Emax.

I tend to like sampling my drum shots an octave higher, then pitching them down an octave once inside the Emax. This really brings out that "ring" artifact similar to the SP1200. I found that, only pitching them samples up 6 semitones wasn9;t enough to get that sound like the SP1200.

I tend to like samples mostly at 31kHz and 28kHz. Some hits really punch at 20kHz though, the ring can be really aggressive at that sample rate when pitching the hits up an octave.

I can go into more detail on how I do batch processing, if there's an interest.

Anyone else have a favorite sample technique?

I really was trying to get similar drums to:
I know Wolfgang Gartner has talked about using the Emax for his drum processing in older interviews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItEJOltvlNI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkvXO45XL-c

Re: [emax] Drum Sampling Techniques

2015-04-16 by Robin Sutcliffe

Yes it can only transfer over sysex with midi. STEEM can use your midi interface though, it just emulates an old Roland interface and translates that.

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On 16 April 2015 at 11:23, Niklas Ehrlin niklas.ehrlin@... [emax] <emax@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thanks, I have seen that program, and maybe it's time to start emulating an Atari (gotta love the speech sythesis :))
But does that editor use midi to transfer samples back and forth?

Niklas

2015-04-16 10:33 GMT+02:00 Robin Sutcliffe rssutcliffe@... [emax] <emax@yahoogroups.com>:

Niklas if you use a PC you can use an ATARI emulator (STEEM is the best one) to run this editor posted here:

http://fa.utfs.org/diy/akai_s612/

You can then save and load samples from your S612 to your pc in a virtual drive for the ST.

On 15 April 2015 at 16:20, Niklas Ehrlin niklas.ehrlin@... [emax] <emax@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I have still only used my Emax with factory disks, but I will for sure try to explore the drum (and other sound) sampling possibilities.
For now my favorite sampler to use quick and with nice artefact is the Akai s-612. Its quick to sample and when I have a melody or bass, I usually throw in a sound there and let that play the part. (No saving possibilities yet thou, as my QD-drive is kaputt.. surprise, surprise..)

And yes - its always nice to here how people work with their machines! Thansk for charing
/NIklas

2015-04-14 17:03 GMT+02:00 bry_204@... [emax] <emax@yahoogroups.com>:

Hey guys,

Since I've never come across a topic like this on the Emax group, thought we could talk about drum sampling techniques used for processing on the Emax.

I tend to like sampling my drum shots an octave higher, then pitching them down an octave once inside the Emax. This really brings out that "ring" artifact similar to the SP1200. I found that, only pitching them samples up 6 semitones wasn't enough to get that sound like the SP1200.

I tend to like samples mostly at 31kHz and 28kHz. Some hits really punch at 20kHz though, the ring can be really aggressive at that sample rate when pitching the hits up an octave.

I can go into more detail on how I do batch processing, if there's an interest.

Anyone else have a favorite sample technique?

I really was trying to get similar drums to:
I know Wolfgang Gartner has talked about using the Emax for his drum processing in older interviews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItEJOltvlNI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkvXO45XL-c