Blaine, Yea, you helped me get the BCR working perfectly with the Hawk and NRPN's. I'm running version 2.55, boot code 1.98. If you track down a BCR, set the data type on it to NRPN, set the global 16 on the Hawk to 0, then assign a CC# to a dial and that's that. After using it for the past few months, I can't imagine using anything else with the Hawk. Hope you get it working soon. - Bryce On Aug 6, 2013, at 9:12 PM, "bimmerfan222" <bperkins211@...> wrote: > Ive tried 4 different controllers: > two keyboards, MIDI OX and CTRLR > All of them six ways from Sunday and all fail to get a response out of my HAWK. > > I have tried MSB/GL 16 at 00,01,02,03.... I have tried sending LSB first, Data (CC6)first and of course MSB first. > > Of course I cant really send them "simultaneously", but I can send them in the same order each time and each one sent each time. > > My Oxygen's problem with the rotary knob was a defective pot, when I replaced the pot, the jittery output ceased and now performs as intended. There are not any msgs sent out unless I intend for it to. > > The Ozonic keyboard is a much, much better model. But programming it and the output is the same as the Oxygen when it comes to NRPN's.. it will output the MSB/LSB combo at initial movement then a series of CC6 data values. > If I stop/start again or go in reverse, it will resend the MSB/LSB combo, again.. just like the Oxygen. > > I wish I could borrow a BCR2000 to test it with because I know someone got NRPN's to work using one (after I coached him how to use it...). > That and know which Firmware Version he was running on his HAWK (if that even mattered). > My firmware and even boot code has been updated a few times... I'm just fishing for answers and wondering if it somehow got turned off in one of the versions I updated. > I dont know, but I find it odd that I cant get a response after trying so many different ways to provoke one. > > I may have to adapt and configure the Ozonic faders for the "controller friendly" method of CC's 22 & 23-30 > instead of fighting for NRPN methods. > > Wish I could somehow do the quick parameter method. I did all the controls in the GUI I made using that method and it works great! > But not many controllers will let you setup a control like that.. only ones that can do raw sysex will, AFAIK. > > -Blaine > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@...> wrote: > > > > if it's any consolation, i have never successfully sent > > a rpn or nrpn to anything, lol, only sysex. the way it > > is always described is opaque:'the messages must be sent > > simultaneously' oh yeah, on a sequential bus? it is only > > looking at a midi monitor that i've started to understand > > a bit more...only a bit: do the RPN/NRPN 'call' messages > > form a single message with the data entry change?(i'd wanted > > to use it in the cubase mixermap page, with the onscreen > > objects, didn't work with method i was attempting, gave up) > > > > what i mean about the oxygen's pots is that i got the > > impression they were always 'in activity'(are they rotaries? > > can't remember). the jumping you describe is in line with > > that. can you try to put the messages into a grid/list sequencer > > like in cubase? maybe midi-ox lets you do that. > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> wrote: > > > > > > You're going to have to persevere to find out what you're doing different to everyone else. If NRPN's were not working, I would be hearing from many HAWK customers that had to work out how to do them and use them alot. > > > > > > Try setting MSB to 1 and changing global 16 to 1 and see if that might be something to do with it. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@> > > > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 12:26 PM > > > Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Maudio midi controller problems.. > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > I did using OX's "Send Midi Controller Messages" and it didnt respond. > > > > > > I sent CC98 MSB 0, cc99 LSB 24 (VCF cutoff), CC06 127value. In that order, one at a time with nothing in between. > > > > > > The VCF cutoff did not change. > > > > > > I have tried other parameters too.. still no response. > > > > > > Any other ideas???? > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Use MIDI-OX to test. > > > > > > > > At least, that will calm your nerves that the HAWK does actually respond to NRPN. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@> > > > > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 9:50 PM > > > > Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Maudio midi controller problems.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I've been trying with both the Oxygen and the Ozonic. > > > > > > > > I dont have any other keyboard that will send NRPN's. > > > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ***DEFINITELY CHECK THE MIDI***!!! > > > > > i had an oxygen, first model, and it was a piece of sh*t, > > > > > i took it back: there is constant activity on the midi CC, > > > > > and it screwed up my laptop of th time. swapped it for an > > > > > evolution and the problem went away. serious, i believe > > > > > this is all down to the oxygen, it must be incompatible > > > > > with some stuff. try another keyboard. > > > > > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "bimmerfan222" <bperkins211@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. channels have been properly matched. > > > > > > if I set a controller to CC it will function properly. > > > > > > try to change the same controller into a NRPN and it falls on its face > > > > > > > > > > > > its this multi message business that is throwing it for a loop > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silly question but are you sure you have MIDI receive channel set to the channel that you are sending CC's on? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@> > > > > > > > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 12:19 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Maudio midi controller problems.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Thanks for trying to figure this out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried the new code and the HAWK still wont respond to NRPN's from the Oxygen 8. > > > > > > > All the standard CC's work though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully there's an easy fix for this, I now have two M-Audio controller keyboards that use the exact same NRPN protocol, > > > > > > > LSB, MSB then a stream of Data values. > > > > > > > They will resend LSB/MSB if the control movement slows down, stops/starts again or goes in reverse, but that doesnt seem to have any effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The M-Audio Ozonic I just got today has Aftertouch along with 8 rotary knobs, 9 faders, a programmable joystick and over a dozen momentary switches to program. I was real excited to use this thing with the HAWK since it has so many controls and especially the aftertouch, which is really cool when programmed to open/close the filter :) It's my first aftertouch capable keyboard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any other ideas on how to get the HAWK to respond? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Blaine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, here is better code. It says, if I receive any RPN then cancel the current status for NRPN's. So if you inadvertently send RPN's they won't stomp on the NRPN's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Much better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> > > > > > > > > To: "korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:57 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: Maudio midi controller problems.. [3 Attachments] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > [Attachment(s) from Michael Hawkins included below] > > > > > > > > OK, I changed the code to allow sending MSB,LSB or LSB,MSB and then data values. And I also allow sending multiple data values without MSB or LSB being resent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I attach the updated software files. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know it goes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> > > > > > > > > To: "korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:33 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: Maudio midi controller problems.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > OK, so I checked my code. Here are my comments in the assembler code for receiving NRPN: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ; NRPN MSB followed by NRPN LSB then data value. No other sequence or combination is permitted. > > > > > > > > ; And NRPN MSB and LSB must be transmitted for each and every data value (ie: there is no NRPN running status). > > > > > > > > ; reception of the NRPN MSB always resets the NRPN sequence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote the code this way because it appears to be the most common implementation and is 100% reliable. Whereas, other implementations (such as your controller) result in ambiguous situations where MIDI NRPN controllers can be screwed up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See http://www.philrees.co.uk/nrpnq.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am willing to hear from others as to whether this is proper practice or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps I could be convinced to add a global parameter to allow changing > > > > > > > > the NRPN behavior. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here is the actual assembler: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ; ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > ; the MIDI NRPN controller messages are handled below > > > > > > > > ; the NRPN MSB received must match the global NRPN MSB (global 16) for any parameter change to occur > > > > > > > > ; in order to avoid overruns and stop RPN's from interfering with NRPN's, the sequence of NRPN MUST be > > > > > > > > ; NRPN MSB followed by NRPN LSB then data value. No other sequencer combination is permitted. > > > > > > > > ; And NRPN MSB and LSB must be transmitted for each and every data value (ie: there is no NRPN running status). > > > > > > > > ; reception of the NRPN MSB always resets the NRPN sequence > > > > > > > > ; ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >
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Re: [korgpolyex] Re: Maudio midi controller problems..
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