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Poly fans - need a little help

2008-01-16 by korgpolyex800

Hi Poly fans,

I need a little help to confirm that the joystick code I've written is
working correctly. Since I don't have a working original Poly 800, I
need to understand the pitch bend range.

The pitch bend range I've implemented in my new joystick bend code is
between 7 and 8 semitones up or down. This means that on a Poly 800
with the bend pot at maximum, I am able to bend C up to somewhere
between G and A and I am able to bend down C down to just slightly
below F.

I need to know if that is how the original Poly 800 bends.

Can someone help me confirm this? It would be very much appreciated. 

Regardless, the original pitch bend joystick function is almost (or is
exactly) as the original Poly 800 was. Next I move on to the VCF MG
and DCO MG (Y joystick) functions.

Once those are as close to the original as possible, I will move onto
new joystick controllers. Woohoo!

Mike.

Re: Poly fans - need a little help

2008-01-16 by funkymonkeypeter

Page 27 of the service manual has the calibration settings for the
pitch bend.

From Center C it goes up to G + 35 cents  (Up a fifth)

From center C it goes down an octave.



--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "korgpolyex800" <korgpolyex800@...>
wrote:
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>
> Hi Poly fans,
> 
> I need a little help to confirm that the joystick code I've written is
> working correctly. Since I don't have a working original Poly 800, I
> need to understand the pitch bend range.
> 
> The pitch bend range I've implemented in my new joystick bend code is
> between 7 and 8 semitones up or down. This means that on a Poly 800
> with the bend pot at maximum, I am able to bend C up to somewhere
> between G and A and I am able to bend down C down to just slightly
> below F.
> 
> I need to know if that is how the original Poly 800 bends.
> 
> Can someone help me confirm this? It would be very much appreciated. 
> 
> Regardless, the original pitch bend joystick function is almost (or is
> exactly) as the original Poly 800 was. Next I move on to the VCF MG
> and DCO MG (Y joystick) functions.
> 
> Once those are as close to the original as possible, I will move onto
> new joystick controllers. Woohoo!
> 
> Mike.
>

Re: Poly fans - need a little help

2008-01-16 by satnom2000

> From Center C it goes up to G + 35 cents  (Up a fifth)

That's right.

> 
> From center C it goes down an octave.

That's not right for my poly. It only goes down a fifth (maybe plus a
few cents more)

It sound the same up and down on my synth.

Re: Poly fans - need a little help

2008-01-16 by funkymonkeypeter

I asume that Mr Korgpoly800 wants to get his controller setting as
close to factory as possible.  Up a fifth and 35 cents and down an
octave and 35 cents is what a properly calibrated Poly800 joystick
should do with the pitch bend slider at 10.

Those are musically useful settings.  

It might be time to 'pop the hood' and spin a pot on yours.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "satnom2000" <satnomb@...> wrote:
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>
> 
> > From Center C it goes up to G + 35 cents  (Up a fifth)
> 
> That's right.
> 
> > 
> > From center C it goes down an octave.
> 
> That's not right for my poly. It only goes down a fifth (maybe plus a
> few cents more)
> 
> It sound the same up and down on my synth.
>

Re: [korgpolyex] Poly fans - need a little help

2008-01-16 by David Mochen

Hi there Mike
Yes, on my Poly 800 (and a couple others I've had the chance to play with during these years) the pitch bend range is a fifth up and down (actually a little bit more with the slider all the way up).
dave
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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:07 PM
Subject: [korgpolyex] Poly fans - need a little help

Hi Poly fans,

I need a little help to confirm that the joystick code I've written is
working correctly. Since I don't have a working original Poly 800, I
need to understand the pitch bend range.

The pitch bend range I've implemented in my new joystick bend code is
between 7 and 8 semitones up or down. This means that on a Poly 800
with the bend pot at maximum, I am able to bend C up to somewhere
between G and A and I am able to bend down C down to just slightly
below F.

I need to know if that is how the original Poly 800 bends.

Can someone help me confirm this? It would be very much appreciated.

Regardless, the original pitch bend joystick function is almost (or is
exactly) as the original Poly 800 was. Next I move on to the VCF MG
and DCO MG (Y joystick) functions.

Once those are as close to the original as possible, I will move onto
new joystick controllers. Woohoo!

Mike.

Re: Poly fans - need a little help

2008-01-16 by korgpolyex800

Excuse me funkeymonkey but the name is KorgPolyEx800. Don't leave the
Ex out. I mean, I wouldn't call you funkmonkey. ;-)

From my work with adding portamento into the Poly 800 my experience is
that the range of the bend is a full one octave. So it seems very
strange that the service manual would say a full octave down and up a
fifth because I just don't think the Poly could ever do that.

Perhaps it's a typo or maybe the wording is ambiguous. What does it
say precisely?

Mike.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "funkymonkeypeter"
<funkymonkey3.14@...> wrote:
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>
> I asume that Mr Korgpoly800 wants to get his controller setting as
> close to factory as possible.  Up a fifth and 35 cents and down an
> octave and 35 cents is what a properly calibrated Poly800 joystick
> should do with the pitch bend slider at 10.
> 
> Those are musically useful settings.  
> 
> It might be time to 'pop the hood' and spin a pot on yours.
> 
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "satnom2000" <satnomb@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > > From Center C it goes up to G + 35 cents  (Up a fifth)
> > 
> > That's right.
> > 
> > > 
> > > From center C it goes down an octave.
> > 
> > That's not right for my poly. It only goes down a fifth (maybe plus a
> > few cents more)
> > 
> > It sound the same up and down on my synth.
> >
>

Re: Poly fans - need a little help

2008-01-16 by korgpolyex800

Great! That sounds exactly the same as what my Poly is doing although
there is a slight detune at the high maximum but I know what that is
being caused by.

Last night I also got into the DCO and VCF MG using the Y axis on the
joystick and got close to making it work too.

Progress - slow but steady.

Mike.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "David Mochen" <davidmochen@...> wrote:
>
> Hi there Mike
> 
> Yes, on my Poly 800 (and a couple others I've had the chance to play
with during these years) the pitch bend range is a fifth up and down
(actually a little bit more with the slider all the way up).
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> 
> dave
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: korgpolyex800 
>   To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:07 PM
>   Subject: [korgpolyex] Poly fans - need a little help
> 
> 
>   Hi Poly fans,
> 
>   I need a little help to confirm that the joystick code I've written is
>   working correctly. Since I don't have a working original Poly 800, I
>   need to understand the pitch bend range.
> 
>   The pitch bend range I've implemented in my new joystick bend code is
>   between 7 and 8 semitones up or down. This means that on a Poly 800
>   with the bend pot at maximum, I am able to bend C up to somewhere
>   between G and A and I am able to bend down C down to just slightly
>   below F.
> 
>   I need to know if that is how the original Poly 800 bends.
> 
>   Can someone help me confirm this? It would be very much appreciated. 
> 
>   Regardless, the original pitch bend joystick function is almost (or is
>   exactly) as the original Poly 800 was. Next I move on to the VCF MG
>   and DCO MG (Y joystick) functions.
> 
>   Once those are as close to the original as possible, I will move onto
>   new joystick controllers. Woohoo!
> 
>   Mike.
>

Re: [korgpolyex] Poly fans - need a little help

2008-01-16 by Neil Wakeling

My poly800 has always done +/- a fifth and a bit.
That's from original factory (yes, i've had it that long).

Cheers,
neil



korgpolyex800 wrote:
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Hi Poly fans,


I need to know if that is how the original Poly 800 bends.

Can someone help me confirm this? It would be very much appreciated.


Re: Poly fans - need a little help

2008-01-16 by Russ

Hi all, speaking of joysticks, I have a little problem. One of my 800's has a joystick that continuosly spits out pitchbend modulation etc data. so much so that I have to block CC and pitchbend in my sequencer, or else it crashes!
I tried spraying out the pots, but this made no change. I tried disconnecting the subassembly, but this causes longer sustained sounds to glitch for some reason?
any ideas?

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Re: Poly fans - need a little help

2008-01-16 by narfman96

Hi Russ,

Your Poly-800 is doing the same thing my "II" did when I got it. The 
switches on the back panel control this. I think the sequencer or sysex 
enable was the culprit. Once I switched it the messages stopped.

HTH, Fran

P.S. Fantasy name for Mike's project... Hawkin's Paradox!

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Russ <russdaren@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all, speaking of joysticks, I have a little problem. One of my 
800's has a joystick that continuosly spits out pitchbend modulation 
etc data. so much so that I have to block CC and pitchbend in my 
sequencer, or else it crashes! 
> I tried spraying out the pots, but this made no change. I tried 
disconnecting the subassembly, but this causes longer sustained sounds 
to glitch for some reason? 
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> any ideas?
> 
>        
> ---------------------------------
> Never miss a thing.   Make Yahoo your homepage.
>

RE: [korgpolyex] Re: Poly fans - need a little help

2008-01-16 by Epiik Soul

I don't know what the factory specs are, but up a fith and down an octave is most useable. I'm not sure about the extra 35 cents tho.. I use my poly live a lot and I it would be a pain to have to adjust my slider every night. Also, I don't want to have any unpleasant surprises if I accidently bump it. Slider full up should be as close to a fith or octave as possible. Of course its not that big of a deal in the studio. Just my 2 cents...
Electrohead
Poly 800 mk1, moog slayer, reverse keys :)


From: funkymonkeypeter
Sent: January 16, 2008 12:34 AM
To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Poly fans - need a little help

I asume that Mr Korgpoly800 wants to get his controller setting as
close to factory as possible. Up a fifth and 35 cents and down an
octave and 35 cents is what a properly calibrated Poly800 joystick
should do with the pitch bend slider at 10.

Those are musically useful settings.

It might be time to 'pop the hood' and spin a pot on yours.

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "satnom2000" > wrote:
>
>;
> > From Center C it goes up to G + 35 cents (Up a fifth)
>
> That's right.
>
> >
> > From center C it goes down an octave.
>
> That's not right for my poly. It only goes down a fifth (maybe plus a
> few cents more)
>
> It sound the same up and down on my synth.
>



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Re: Poly fans - need a little help

2008-01-17 by funkymonkeypeter

Please accept my most sincere and heartfelt apologies for miss-stating
your epithet.  I had no intention to imply that you are anything less
than the full hardcase, rackmount version.  Mea-Culpa.

I am basing my statements on the Poly-800 Service manual posted in
this forum in the 'Poly-800II Service Docs' folder of the files section.

On page 27 in part four of the "Check and Adjustment procedure';

4.  Master oscillator check and adjustment:

Check the above section. (I'd clip and paste it, but its an image PDF)

  
I don't think its a typo because the manual states that the C3 (start
key) should read -1 OCT C on a KORG AT-12 tuner.

  It says that the upper pitch bend should read -1 OCT G (if it was
supposed to be a full octave up it would read "OCT C" (no -1, no G)).

The lower pitch bend setting should show -2 OCT C

I don't have an AT-12 but was able to calibrate to these settings
using a KORG CA-30 Chromatic tuner.

I find i like the full octave dive bomb down, and fifth up is
musically useful.

Signed,  FlunkyPunky







--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "korgpolyex800" <korgpolyex800@...>
wrote:
>
> Excuse me funkeymonkey but the name is KorgPolyEx800. Don't leave the
> Ex out. I mean, I wouldn't call you funkmonkey. ;-)
> 
> From my work with adding portamento into the Poly 800 my experience is
> that the range of the bend is a full one octave. So it seems very
> strange that the service manual would say a full octave down and up a
> fifth because I just don't think the Poly could ever do that.
> 
> Perhaps it's a typo or maybe the wording is ambiguous. What does it
> say precisely?
> 
> Mike.
> 
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "funkymonkeypeter"
> <funkymonkey3.14@> wrote:
> >
> > I asume that Mr Korgpoly800 wants to get his controller setting as
> > close to factory as possible.  Up a fifth and 35 cents and down an
> > octave and 35 cents is what a properly calibrated Poly800 joystick
> > should do with the pitch bend slider at 10.
> > 
> > Those are musically useful settings.  
> > 
> > It might be time to 'pop the hood' and spin a pot on yours.
> > 
> > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "satnom2000" <satnomb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > > From Center C it goes up to G + 35 cents  (Up a fifth)
> > > 
> > > That's right.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > From center C it goes down an octave.
> > > 
> > > That's not right for my poly. It only goes down a fifth (maybe
plus a
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> > > few cents more)
> > > 
> > > It sound the same up and down on my synth.
> > >
> >
>

MK2 bend and sequencer MIDI transmit

2008-01-17 by korgpolyex800

LOL - very droll indeed.

It seems very strange indeed that the MK2 would slide a full octave
down when the same circuitry is used for bend in the MK1 and the
EX800. And since I don't have a MK2, I can't play around with it to
see how it works differently. 

The main thing is that I needed to make sure that my bend code that I
needed to write for the Poly 800 works as the original does. And it
does, so we're in good shape there.

Although reading through the MK2 service manual I realize that I have
one feature still to go to finish the complete integration of
everything that the Poly 800 does into my kit that was based on the
EX800. That missed feature is the sequencer sending MIDI TX on channel
2. The EX800 doesn't send MIDI from it's sequencer but I think the
Poly 800 does. So I have to implement that.

Mike.


--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "funkymonkeypeter"
<funkymonkey3.14@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Please accept my most sincere and heartfelt apologies for miss-stating
> your epithet.  I had no intention to imply that you are anything less
> than the full hardcase, rackmount version.  Mea-Culpa.
> 
> I am basing my statements on the Poly-800 Service manual posted in
> this forum in the 'Poly-800II Service Docs' folder of the files section.
> 
> On page 27 in part four of the "Check and Adjustment procedure';
> 
> 4.  Master oscillator check and adjustment:
> 
> Check the above section. (I'd clip and paste it, but its an image PDF)
> 
>   
> I don't think its a typo because the manual states that the C3 (start
> key) should read -1 OCT C on a KORG AT-12 tuner.
> 
>   It says that the upper pitch bend should read -1 OCT G (if it was
> supposed to be a full octave up it would read "OCT C" (no -1, no G)).
> 
> The lower pitch bend setting should show -2 OCT C
> 
> I don't have an AT-12 but was able to calibrate to these settings
> using a KORG CA-30 Chromatic tuner.
> 
> I find i like the full octave dive bomb down, and fifth up is
> musically useful.
> 
> Signed,  FlunkyPunky
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "korgpolyex800" <korgpolyex800@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Excuse me funkeymonkey but the name is KorgPolyEx800. Don't leave the
> > Ex out. I mean, I wouldn't call you funkmonkey. ;-)
> > 
> > From my work with adding portamento into the Poly 800 my experience is
> > that the range of the bend is a full one octave. So it seems very
> > strange that the service manual would say a full octave down and up a
> > fifth because I just don't think the Poly could ever do that.
> > 
> > Perhaps it's a typo or maybe the wording is ambiguous. What does it
> > say precisely?
> > 
> > Mike.
> > 
> > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "funkymonkeypeter"
> > <funkymonkey3.14@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I asume that Mr Korgpoly800 wants to get his controller setting as
> > > close to factory as possible.  Up a fifth and 35 cents and down an
> > > octave and 35 cents is what a properly calibrated Poly800 joystick
> > > should do with the pitch bend slider at 10.
> > > 
> > > Those are musically useful settings.  
> > > 
> > > It might be time to 'pop the hood' and spin a pot on yours.
> > > 
> > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "satnom2000" <satnomb@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > > From Center C it goes up to G + 35 cents  (Up a fifth)
> > > > 
> > > > That's right.
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > From center C it goes down an octave.
> > > > 
> > > > That's not right for my poly. It only goes down a fifth (maybe
> plus a
> > > > few cents more)
> > > > 
> > > > It sound the same up and down on my synth.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [korgpolyex] MK2 bend and sequencer MIDI transmit

2008-01-17 by Neil Wakeling

My Poly800 MK1 definitely sends MIDI out from the sequencer - darn handy it is too!

Cheers,
Neil

korgpolyex800 wrote:
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LOL - very droll indeed.

It seems very strange indeed that the MK2 would slide a full octave
down when the same circuitry is used for bend in the MK1 and the
EX800. And since I don't have a MK2, I can't play around with it to
see how it works differently.

The main thing is that I needed to make sure that my bend code that I
needed to write for the Poly 800 works as the original does. And it
does, so we're in good shape there.

Although reading through the MK2 service manual I realize that I have
one feature still to go to finish the complete integration of
everything that the Poly 800 does into my kit that was based on the
EX800. That missed feature is the sequencer sending MIDI TX on channel
2. The EX800 doesn't send MIDI from it's sequencer but I think the
Poly 800 does. So I have to implement that.

Mike.

Re: Poly fans - need a little help

2008-01-17 by Russ

great, I'll try fiddling with the switches on the back. Sysex enable? I dont recall such a switch, is that a MKII thing.

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