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> Hitler would have taken over
> Europe. Even the French didn't put up much of a fight.


I think you need to watch "Allo, Allo" a bit more (zie French 
rezistaance etc :-)))). ;-)

> It was the scrappy
> Brits which held the line,

Yeah, some 40km from my house there are thousands of English graveyards. 
:-(((

> and the later the US and Canada which made it
> possible for Western Europe to prosper and have the security it now 
> enjoys.
> In the same way, if not for the US and England and a dozen other 
> countries to
> smaller extents,  Korea would have been unified under communist 
> control in
> 1950. Yugoslavia would be ethnically cleansed in the 1990's, Iraq 
> would now
> control Kuwait and Saudi Arabia and 1/4 of the worlds oil. And Europe 
> would
> be speaking  Russian had the US not provided the backbone to Nato for all
> these decades as you grew up in a safe Europe.

Probably many of these are very correct indeed!!

> Do you see what is wrong with your pacifist-supporting statement?

As for me personally, I'm no pacifist, but the _right_ actions have to 
be taken. It is my _personal opinion_ that these bombings on Afghanistan 
are a bad decision. I think small commando teams are the best way to 
deal with it in the military way. This combined with additional support 
to the people of Afghanistan would give better results in the long run 
imo. You need inside powers to make the Taliban implode.

> but these wars have not been wars of conquest - they have been in 
> defense of
> freedom

I'm not so convinced about this fact....

> Of course, there are many things to argue about these matters, but I am
> concerned not only about the complete lack of gratitude, but the open
> hostility toward the US on the basis of these incorrect revisionist 
> views of
> the past. 

I haven't read all mails yet, but I still think there's some sort of 
misunderstanding: I don't think there is hostility towards the US (I 
mean from Europe). I'm convinced though that many Europeans do not agree 
with the decisions made by the US government. Those are two different 
things imo.

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Joeri Vankeirsbilck
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