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Crash Course on the Arab Israeli Conflict. 
 
Here are some conveniently overlooked facts in the current Middle East
situation. 
HERE'S THE BRIEF FACTS ON THE ISRAELI CONFLICT TODAY....

1. Nationhood and Jerusalem. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two 
thousand years before the rise of Islam. 
 
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a 
Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the 
modern State of Israel. 
 
3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion 
over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the 
land for the past 3,300 years. 
 
4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no 
more than 22 years. 
 
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. 
Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even 
when 
the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to it their 
capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit. 
 
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy 
Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran. 
 
7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to
Jerusalem. 
 
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with heir backs toward
Jerusalem. 
 
9. Arab and Jewish Refugees: In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to 
leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. 
Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier. 
 
10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab 
brutality, persecution and pogroms. 
 
11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be 
around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated 
to be the same. 
 
12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the 
Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 
100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group 
in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own 
peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a
country no 
larger than the state of New Jersey. 
 
13. The Arab - Israeli Conflict: The Arabs are represented by eight 
separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish
nation. 
The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself 
each time and won. 
 
14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of 
Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, 
autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them with 
weapons. 
 
15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews 
were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and
Christian sites have
been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths. 
 
16. The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council 
resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel. 
 
17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were
directed against Israel. 
 
18. The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the
Jordanians. 
 
19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the
ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives. 
 
20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like 
policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western 
Wall. These are incredible times. We have to ask what our role should be. 
What will we tell our grandchildren we did when there was a turning point 
in Jewish destiny, an opportunity to make a difference? 
START NOW!! Send this to 20 other people you know and ask them to send it 
to twenty others, Jew and non-Jew-it doesn't really matter. The truth and 
the cause of peace are universal values we all share, and everyone must 
know. 
-----Original Message-----
From: GAmoore@... [mailto:GAmoore@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 11:27 PM
To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [L-OT] The Real Cause is religion mixed with politics


You're rant has some good points, except this comment which appears to be 
misinformed if not a tad hostile.

>Israel getting referred to as "the Jews". Fuck you. Israel is full of
>Israelis, asshole.

Israel has a "right of return" for various people who have never been to 
Israel before - these include Russian Jews, Polish Jews, Ethiopian Jews, 
and an American Jewish teenager who torture/murdered a young girl then 
fled to Israel and was able to stay there despite intense pressure from 
the US to bring him back for trial in the US. The "Israeli's" even 
airlifted a bunch of starving Ethiopian Jews to Israel.

Oh yeah, there are some non-Jews in Israel. They're called Palestinians. 
In fact the land you call Israel was called Palestine for thousands of 
years up to 1948 or so. There were no Israeli's before that time because 
there was no Israel. 

There is no right of return for Palestinians - even those who would like 
to actually return to the homes and property they owned. 


 

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