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Hi Tiran;

I know that most of the Israelis don¹t approve of settlers but obviously
your elected government does, otherwise the Settlements would not HAVE
DOUBLED since the signing of the peace agreement 10 years ago and the land
would have been handed over without all this mess........ Sharon has
publicly said that he is not willing to give up an inch of settlements and
lands other than what is now, and you know very well how dangerous, radical
and extremist those armed settlers are, so have they not been supported and
backed up by the defense army and have there not been special roads all over
the west banks for them things would have been much better.....

> 1. I hope it won't take you by surprise that most of the Israelis don't
> approve those settlers.
> I think that it's the biggest mistake we ever did . I also hate the fact
> that we're wasting so much money in those settlements. I think that most of
> the people here think that there will be a Palestinian country ,


What army you are talking about?!! you have tanks, apachees and F-16s,
please be realistic and understand that your naigbours are sick of your army
and settlers and want peace as much as you do, provided you LIVE and let
live and stop occupying them, this does not make sense.........
 

> Israelis are trying to get everything written especially so that we won't
> have a country with an army attacking us everyday. today we're facing
> against a nation but at least it's not a country with official tanks and air
> crafts.

Since the Peace agreement the Palestinians have signed off 78% of what is
historical Palestine, they have acknowledged Israel right as a state in
return for the rest of the land occupied in 1967, now since you are such a
peaceful nation why did you not comply with those agreements, instead you
have a mad maniac like Sharon who wants the occupation and the settlements
for ever.... There are radical Palestinians, and so there are radical
Israelis who call publicly for the killing of all Arabs and kicking them
out, they make Hamas look like a pigeon next to them, so if we want to go by
that argument, there are new nazies in Europe and KKK in the US, this is
pointless, we need to be brave enough to make peace that will last NOT FIND
EXCUSES and believe our own lies, this is like sticking your face in the
sand and thinking the world is fine, No its not.....
> I also think that most people don't understand that in 1947 the  gave the
> Jews a country. we were  fighting against Arab countries attacks and
> survived several war since than NOT the other way .the only war which is
> controversial is the 1982 war, which happened because there were missles and
> terror attacks from lebanon. what the palestinian wants is to destroy our
> country .


I can and i want  live side by side near a peaceful palestinian
> country , at least so they can blame their poverty on their own.

EVEN if the below was true IT DOES not mean or justify the military
occupation imposed on Palestinian lands, it is such a bad EXCUSE, and BTW
you are wrong, there is NOTHING like the poverty in Gaza thanks to Israel...

believe me that they lived worser under the jurdan state until 1967. I don't
want those
> territories , but in order to return them the israely side must get some
> agreement so they want fight us on every now and then.


Yeah, my parents house is exactly 3 Km from a settlement "Pasagot", so I
share your same feelings, But the rest of your statement is again EXCUSES,
and its such a bad excuse and lets not get into what happened in 1947,
either way is a BAD and NON justifiable excuse for today's actions, it seems
that your whole society has gone ignorant and blind, face it.....

>you sure don't want
> war which is 20km near your home.
> the problem with the palestinian -israel argument is not that we took their
> home it's that they want our homes.nobody forced them to open war in 1947
> against us and They lost ,not us.
> 
> yeep. bye.
> 
> I'm off to my flight.
> 
> p.s. 
> as for the palestinian so called "truths" - they know and act as "if you
> repeat a lie enough times ,somebody will believe you" - thinking to them
> self if it's wasn't truth why would they repeat the same things ".
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck [mailto:joeri@...]
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 11:45 AM
> To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [L-OT] RE: The Real Cause is religion mixed with politic s
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>> 
>> what pisses me off most the time is that the Israelis army are doing more
>> than any other army in the world ,trying not to kill, trying to keep
>> innocent people safe, unhurt - yet people are thinking we're the bad guys.
>> 
> I think the reason is because there's too much violence. People are
> hoping for a peaceful solution. The Isreali army is very well equipped
> and the Palestinians are not, I think this adds to the bad image.
> 
> I personally don't care much about these army attacks. What I do care
> about though is how Israel has continued to create new villages inside
> Palestinian area and how some Palestinians still live in inhuman
> conditions in refugee camps. Those are two more important matters to
> me... and I think it's exactly those two reasons that cause
> fundamentalism from Palestinian side.
> 
>> again most of those palestinians who get killed in the last year are armed
>> people who got killed.
>> 
> The widely spread image of the father protection his child, that was
> shot dead while trying to hide, definitely made the Israel army look bad.
> 
>> I'm sorry and surely  not happy
>> when some inocent people get killed ,but in war , and we are in "not
>> offical" war , inocent people get hurt. what we ,as israelies are try is to
>> minimise the number of innocent people get hurt while the palestinians are
>> using every effort to kill more people , while lying to the international
>> press.
>> 
> The Palestinians are using terrorist attacks to get media attention.
> That's what suppressed people do sometimes. That's what the ANC did in
> South Africa decades ago as well. It's the only way for them to get
> attention to make their point. I definitely don't approve it. I hope
> there will be a peaceful solution for the Israel-Palestine matter one
> day. An official Palestinian state would be a good first step, but I
> must admit that I don't see how Jerusalem can be "split up"... :-(
> 
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