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Thoughts from the mind of GAmoore@..., 10-11-2001:

>  >Every research recently conducted in this field shows that women
>>still get substantially less paid than men when performing the same
>  >kind of jobs or tasks.
>
>I hear that regularly too, but I think this is a classic
>misinterpretation of statistics, and I read an article to that affect
>about 6 years ago.

There are many articles claiming the opposite.  So "I think" this one 
article of yours might not be a very persuasive argument.

>And in any area where there is a clear difference, there would be clear
>grounds for a lawsuit and humiliation for the company conducting such
>practices.

Such lawsuits are indeed being conducted ("conducted" -- is that how 
you say it in English?)

>So why the statistics? I suspect, and from what I have seen of the people
>I work with, women are more likely to have gone to lower ranked colleges,
>less likely to have PhDs,

Yes, that's indeed probably part of the story.  Still it's silly that 
2 people doing the same job get a different salary, solely depending 
on their degree.  But that's a whole topic in itself, I'm afraid...

>less likely to go into the more competitive job
>areas, and more likely to take time off for raising children.

Not relevant.  We're talking about men/women in similar jobs.  Not 
about male executives versus housewives.

>On the other hand, men (in the US) contribute a great deal more 
>around the house, to the kids, to the cooking, to the shopping, etc.

And women contribute a great deal more to the family's bank-account. 
What's your point?

>And in the dating arena, women still want
>the guy to pay (depending on the woman) EVEN WITH EQUAL PAY.

In the US maybe.  Not so over here.  And the few that do are the 
wrong kind of women :-).

>I remember years ago, the talk of strip shows as demeaning to women -

Which imo is bollocks.  These women most often work there out of free 
will,  They could have been waitresses or whatever, but being a 
stripper pays better.  I don't blame them.  Hell, I would maybe do 
the same if I even remotely had the body for it :-).  Sure beats a 
teaching-salary.  LOL!

>However, instead of society rising to a higher standard of treating 
>women as humans, I see the reverse. Men are now treated as sex 
>objects too, the male stripping, etc.

These men _choose_ to step into a role of sex-object.  Most likely 
_they_ don't mind at all -- otherwise they would have found a 
different job.

>Its the same thing with the cold war, every time we think human beings
>will rise to the occasion, they find new lows unimaginable before.

<plop> lose association -- on the news today: UNICEF has warned that 
in 6 months (or was it weeks?  I think so...) 100.000 children in 
Afghanistan will die because of malnutrition and the harsh winter. 
Talking about "lows"...


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