The Logic Off Topic list

logic-ot@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Original Message:
>    Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 05:36:17 -0700
>    From: Howard Wooten <hwooten@...>
> Subject: Old Music, Very OT
>
> Hi All,
>
> For any interested in older style jazz ballads I have a tune on my website
> called "The Very Thought of You". I played a concert last week featuring a
> good friend on Trombone, it was his group. The soundman recorded the live
> mix on two track DAT. I used a small amount of EQ and compression to bring
> the rhythm section up in the mix, still... the horn is a bit hot but his
> tone is so beautiful it's still an easy listen. Not everyone's cup of tea
> mind you.
>
> Logic's Compression and FAT EQ were used.
> SoundForge turned it into an MP3.
>
> http://www.dakotacom.net/~hwooten/
>
> The link is on the left side of the page.
>

NIce stuff, Howard.  And, especially good in light of the premix from the
"soundman."  Nice guitar work, too.  There isn't a whole lot you can do to
overcome a soundman's determination to put a solo instrument/vocalist so far out
front of everything else it makes no sense EXCEPT in a "live" venue, and even
then I usually think the "soundman" has their ears located somewhere other than
on their head.  I ran sound for my bands from the stage for about the last 20
years I played in clubs regularly, and always used a stereo mix in both the
mains and monitors so no "ego" could overcome another, the whole band would jump
on the offender and the audience and band member were always well pleased.
Clarity and balance.  That's what it's all about.

As for your 96 kHz query, you don't mean that as the mp3 file, right?  (That's
what yours is.)  If so, then the "common" mp3 file is now 192kHz, even though
the streaming stuff still gets bumped down to 128.  I've noticed that since
mp3.com started using that for CDs and downloads, the highs are more well
defined and busy percussion doesn't seem to gather as many artifacts that tend
to blur the clarity between say a shaker and a cabasa.  That said, I see no
benefits in RECORDING at higher bit rates, and many don't like what happens when
it's then dithered down to 16 bits, anyway.  For data transfer between devices,
it certainly makes sense, not only for accuracy, but to minimize latency as much
as possible.  I have really good monitoring, and I really can't tell the
difference in audio quality once things are 16 bit, regardless of where they
started, although I "think" I hear more mushiness from stuff that's been
dithered down than stuff that started in 16 bit and stayed there.  Everything
else in the realm stays at 44.1 sample rate, and THAT is where you might notice
something in the recording process using a higher sample rate, but at this
point, I don't think it's worth the extra processor power and disk space
required to go higher, even if your gear will allow it, which mine won't at this
point.

I just got the mLAN Firewire card for my Yamaha 01v mixer and going into Logic
digitally does make bit of difference in audio quality, even though I'm still
dealing with a lot of latency.  It's going in @ 20 bit, 44.1kHz. I'm recording
in 16 bit.  Seems to work just fine.  I just put the first song up using the new
rig, I needed it for 4 channels of guitar, 2 from the FX stomp box and 2 from
the Roland GR-30.  I like the results, except I was messing around with the
groove machine and accidentally put a bunch of phasing on the guitar part (not
the MIDI), I was just wanting to check my groove against the machine's and OOPS,
wrote over the backup tracks as well as the edit.  But, I think I pulled it out
okay.  If I decide later that I hate it, I can always do it over.  See what you
think: http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/2682/2682826.html  "Bones" is the
tune.  Sorry, it's streaming only at this point, I don't want it downloaded
until I'm sure about keeping it the way it is.  ;)

Regards,
...z


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