The Logic Off Topic list

> >> >Good point, but by that same logic: should we leave the list 
> >> >100% uncensored with an ambiguous list policy and let people 
> >> >talk about whatever they want, because 7 people want it?
> >>
> >> Yes. If 17 are pro-moderation and 13 are contra, and the other
> >> 570 apparently don't care, then I don't see how you'll ever
> >> have a strong point in favour of moderation. Apparently the
> >> status quo (= no moderation) is fine for the large majority out
> >> there -- otherwise they would have voted.
> >
> >Pure speculation... It's impossible to tell if they didn't vote
> >because they like the status quo, didn't vote because they don't
> >care, or didn't vote because they have abandoned their email
> >address / YahooID and don't pay attention at all to the list 
> >anymore.
> 
> A bit of elementary logic applied to your above quote:
> If they like the status quo: keep the LOT unmoderated.
> If they don't care: keep the LOT unmoderated.
> If they don't even read the LOT and thus don't count: keep the LOT 
> unmoderated.

I agree with the first one, but if they don't care, or don't even 
read the list and thus don't count, why not let the majority of 
active list members who do care decide? 

This list will *never* be unmoderated. Most of you probably haven't 
noticed, but new memberships to this list require the approval of a 
moderator. I noticed the vast majority of spammers have been using 
very similar random email addresses, e.g. fdxljsadfkjasd@... 
(they all contain the same exactly number of random characters, about 
13 of them). I reject spammers trying to sign up here at least three 
times a week, sometimes much more often. Do you really want me to 
stop moderating in that sense and let the spammers have their way 
with the list? 

Or, if you mean by "unmoderated", that each message does not have to 
be approved by an admin before being sent out to the list: as I 
mentioned before, even if the majority of voters do want to keep 
politics etc off of this list, we would still leave new messages 
unmoderated and only step in if things got out of hand again. We 
never intended to always moderate all new posts (like we do on the 
LUG) if the majority of people voted for the first choice in the 
poll. 

> > > These threads die out by themselves. In a few days, or a few
> > > weeks -- who cares?
> >
> >All the people who signed up for this list, thinking since it is
> >a "sister list" to the LUG and our other Emagic lists, topics
> >discussed here would be related to music...
> 
> "*All* the people"? Then quite a few posters here apparently 
> don't qualify as "people". 

That is becoming more and more evident, about a few guys here at 
least ;-) (j/k, and I'm not talking about you of course, Hendrik)

> Or did you mean "all the people who thought 
> this would be a music related list"? In that case: how many people 
> are we talking about? You don't know, and I don't either.
> AFAI can see, it's not even the majority who cares...

Here's a little more clarificatoin: 

All the people who: (signed up for this list thinking, since it was 
a "sister" list to the other Emagic lists, topics discussed here 
would be related to music.) 

But anyway, you did not ask "how many care" -- but "who cares." I was 
just answering your question. 

Best wishes,
Jeremy 
http://www.carrollsweb.com/sadus