The Logic Off Topic list

> >> My questioning now is...Is Orren Merton suited to be a moderator?
>
> Tony Perreta wrote:
> > My views align entirely with his - so maybe we should both resign.
>
> Perhaps, Tony...If that is how you feel.  I can't argue a man, with a
> level head that just made sense in their dialogue.

Sorry?

I am one of the admin team simply because at a time when the LUG was 'messy'
very few answered Jeremy's initial email asking for assitance. Jeremy sent out a
further email to whihc I replied saying that I didn't consider myself a
prominent member (tho I have been on and off the LUG since 96) but was willing
to help out on an ad hoc basis when there is any need. I have no interest in
moderating, and have never moderated, the L-OT.

> a) One does have to be pliable when positioned with authority.

huh?

> b) One should question themselves, if viably questioned by others.

Agreed.

> This is why we have things like Internal Affairs, with regards to
> police...IA's position is very clear...To watch the watchers.  Sorry to
> say it, so far, most of the Mod Squad seems to be set on regarding
> Admin's as being right and that is it.  Case Closed.

This is not the case - the moderators have all talked about this and some of us
are unclear (I include myself) as to the r\ufffdle of the L-OT. Hence the poll. Hence
many of the msgs by moderators merely defending Jeremy's position as list admin.

> I heard no admission of possibilities that indicate, that some of US
> may be right in our views.

You can't have been reading all the emails then. I have said that I have no
position as to what the L-OT should be. Though I do have a philosophical
position with repsect to the freedom of speech arguments put forward by others.
It might be that u did not realise I was an admin.

> None of the Admins here have said..."Hmmm,
> Henrik, I think you have made the best case".

Maybe if we thought he had we would have said so.

> Get my drift.  So far
> two factions, in disagreement and yet no compromise is being made.

Er ... Jeremy has agreed to let the poll dictate the nature of the list. What
more compromise would u propose?

> So,
> now we are basically fighting over the very same thing we were
> moderated for debating.  LOL.

This isn't a fight Alexis. You are just misintepreting the admin's position
despite it seeming to be clear to me.

> Yet, let's face it...I think I have deleted at least "50" AU/VST
> diatribes over the past few days, coming in from the LUG.

You and I both.

> But hey, it
> is On Topic right?

I would say so tho sometimes one wonders.

> Despite the fact that MOST of it is a long winded,
> misinformed crock of shit.  LOL.  Sorry, but true.   L-OT to me is just
> an asylum for the lunatics on the LUG >

Feel free to vote that way in the poll.

> ...yeah, me to...guilty as
> charged...LOL.  I remember many of Mac vs. PC debate being diverted
> over here.  Is really the Mac vs. PC debate even on topic to music
> making with L-OT?

Yes. It is like debating the merits of microphones. Some like to use expensive
Royer ribbon mics on guitar cabs and others super cheap SM57s (the greatest mic
ever). Having said this I must admit to finding MAC or PC evangelists for the
most part the worst thing on the LUG. I have no problem with informed opinions
and comparisons.

> Think about it.  Not really...sorry no.  But I let
> it go...cause this is the asylum of where that can take place.

I think the problem, as astutely highlighted by Jeremy, is that some people
think the L-OT is one thing and others another. Is the L-OT here to serve the
LUG or have unlimited scope? I guess a decision will be made one way or the
other.

Alexis - hows about we just wait for the final outcome and abide by it? I for
one don't care which way it goes.

Tony Perretta