The Logic Off Topic list

This week's ART was attended by [at various stages] itorman,
Robert_Matichak, oink, janpulsford, Heisenberg, BetaBrett,  utopian ,
timmymacdd, bongo, Vesaa, jay, haggan, herman, chillisource,  DJ-Allard,
MixMasterMark,  LennieJ, marcr, xiabram, Zoggo.

Dave Bellingham [oscwilde] gave us a very interesting talk on
LogicControl, which elicited a great deal of interest from all present.

The following is a heavily edited summary of the forum chat:


 oink says, "welcome everyone !"
 oscwilde says, "Well, shall we get down to brass tacks?"
 oink says, "and if you have just asked one, let someone else ask the
next"
 oink says, "all yours Dave :)"
 oscwilde says, "You've undoubtedly seen the glossy ads and read the
info on the Emagic "
 oscwilde says, "(and other) site(s)/trade mags about the Logic
Control."
 oscwilde says, "I'll assume that you all know it's purpose. If not,
speak up ;-)"
 oscwilde says, "While this info is preliminary, and subject to
change....this is the "
 oscwilde says, "general "guts" of what the Logic Control system is
about."
 oscwilde says, "It will initially be supported "straight out of the
box" by Logic Audio 5."
 oscwilde says, "Release should (hopefully) coincide with the planned
release of LA5 - "
 oscwilde says, "There will be two units. "
 oscwilde says, "Logic Control 1 - The main unit.Logic Control XT - The
add-on fader pack. (This may be released later than September)."
 oscwilde says, "Logic Control 1 - 8 touch-sensitive 100mm motorised
faders - made by Penny & Giles, 8 rotary "V-pots" - pan, EQ, sends,
plug-in parameters and dynamics, transport controls, a weighted
jog/shuttle/scrub wheel - hardware independent (LA5),
Select/mute/rec/solo buttons per channel,16 user-definable function keys
- key commands/screensets etc. can be "
 BetaBrett says, "sweet"
 oscwilde says, "Logic Control XT- 8 100mm motorised faders,8 rotary
"V-pots",Select/mute/rec/solo buttons per channel,an individual display
for each fader channel."
 oscwilde says, "The hardware will be manufactured by Mackie Designs.
The firmware/software integration is a co-development of Emagic and
Mackie."
 oscwilde says, "Each Logic Control unit (1 or XT) requires an
independent physical MIDI IN "
 oscwilde says, "You can run an LC1 with multiple XT units. There may
(or will) be a limitation of 24 physical LC channels, but in theory,
there should be no restriction - provided you've got a lot of free MIDI
ports ;-)"
 oscwilde says, "Note that this is talking about the hardware...not
Logic. The hardware can be switched - in say a 24 chann setup - from
tracks 1-24, to 25-48 a.s.o. via bank selection."
 oscwilde says, "When switching between banks/parameters etc. the
display above the fader "
 oscwilde says, "and the fader itself/pot/switches etc. will
automatically update to "
 oscwilde says, "reflect the current setting/s"
 oscwilde says, "The faders themselves are capable of sending 1,024
discrete steps. This is"
 oscwilde says, "interpolated against the 127 MIDI steps, so fades are
ultra smooth and accurate with MIDI devices."
 oscwilde says, "As the LC units communicate via MIDI, it is possible to
use them for other tasks - synth editing etc., although it's primary
purpose and general operating mode is use with LA5 (and SoundDiver)."
 oscwilde says, "AFAIK, reassignment of key commands/functionality etc.
of switches and "
 oscwilde says, "other controls will be done via an interface in LA5
which will be similar to the Controller Assignments window in SoundDiver
3.x."
 oscwilde says, "No pricing has been fixed at this point for either
unit, but general suggestions made by the music press (from info gleaned
at trade shows, presumably) place the Logic Control 1 at under US $1000.
Time will tell......"
 oscwilde says, "Questions?"
 utopian says, "will it be able to control plugin parameters  eg waves
etc?"
 oscwilde says, "yes."
 xiabram says, "poss. ethernet connection?"
 BetaBrett says, "Any plans to switch to ethernet instead if MIDI in the
future? Perhaps they'll go straight to firewire? Oh, yeah, they have to
support WinTel... "
 oscwilde says, "ethernet connection is unnecessary for the units."
 utopian says, "why did they use midi?"
 oscwilde says, "MIDi is plenty fast enough"
 BetaBrett says, "cool"
 oscwilde says, "it's also less expensive to add to devices than
ethernet"
 utopian says, "yea"
 BetaBrett says, "Have you used prototypes?"
 oscwilde says, "the real bottleneck in any motorised fader device is
the faders themselves, rather than the communication protocol, which is
probably what you were concerned about...right?"
 oscwilde says, "yes, I've used a prototype"
 BetaBrett says, "could you gives us your _personal_ impression after
using it?"
 oscwilde says, "personally, I wanted to take it home ;-)"
 utopian says, "do you know if la5 will do automation like a real
console, in regards to write/read modes"
 oscwilde says, "I can't comment on LA5 at this point, soryy ;-)"
 utopian says, "does the controller make automation happen more
elegantly than today"
 oscwilde says, "define "elegantly"???"
 utopian says, "I find that I have to go through this funky way of doing
automation now, creating a separate track for each track, mainly because
I cant over write my automation track, and the only way to edit easly is
to do it like this"
 utopian says, "Not elegent eh"
 oscwilde says, "AFAIK, the method of automation will change
significantly in this regard in V5. The Logic Control will make the
general use of the software more practical, given the number of
parameters that are now available for every aspect...synths, plus etc."
 utopian says, "good. I had to explain to a couple of film composers how
I currently work, and they thought it was very ameture"
 oscwilde says, "Fundamentally, LA, as it currently stands is not geared
towards using the mouse...the LC units will make it a whole lot more
practical."
 jay says, "is there a chance that this gear will talk to pro tools?"
 utopian says, "not if digi has its way"
 oscwilde says, "I don't know, but I'd doubt it. PT users already have
the ProControl/HUI etc."
 xiabram says, "how will this unit compare to others of similare price"
 oscwilde says, "It would "talk" to PT hardware via Direct I/O using LA
as the front-end...in theory ;-)"
 jay says, "that's an interesting thought"
 jay says, "this gear sounds more flexible than the motor mix stuff "
 oscwilde says, "re comparison to the motormix, yep."
 utopian says, "the motor mix is rather "babyish""
 oscwilde says, "it is purpose-built for use with logic although it can
certainly be used with other MIDI devices. As a device of comparison,
the HUI is probably closest."
 utopian says, "looks like one too, as far as the pictures go"      "
 oscwilde says, "I'd say that Mackie's hand in this is pretty obvious
;-)"
 Vesaa says, "well,besides motorized faders what does it have that,say,
peavey 1600 doesnn't have?"
 oink says, "you didn't mentiom the mic preamps, are they still gonna be
a feature ?"
 oscwilde says, "it will be a midi controller only"
 xiabram says, "ahhh "
 oscwilde says, "re the peavey...transport controls, buttons that can be
used for key commands/screensets, a jog/shuttle/scrub wheel, it's
expandable, it can be used for more than just MIDi control...it can be
used to control Logic."
 BetaBrett says, "thinking how I'll fit this into my studio... do you
have the rough dimesions of the units?"
 xiabram says, "less expensive tha pro control"
 xiabram says, "much"
 Vesaa says, "but for example ,I have 001 by digi,that won't scrub ,due
to clocking !"
oscwilde says, "I'm not sure of dimensions...sorry."
 jay says, "is there a url where we can look at it?"
 oscwilde says,
"http://www.emagic.de/english/musikmesse2001/html/products/lcontrol.html"

 Vesaa says, "Not a single card without word clock will scrub."
 oscwilde says, "Version 5 also sees the introduction of
hardware-independent audio scrubbing, which allows for monitoring while
manually moving through the audio data  regardless of the audio hardware
used."
 oscwilde says, "this is directly from the Emagic site:
http://www.emagic.de/english/musikmesse2001/html/products/index.html"
 oink says, "cool"
 Robert_Matichak says, "double cool!"
 Vesaa says, "seconded!"
 oscwilde says, "so, how many of you are hot for the Logic Control?"
 Robert_Matichak says, "me!"
 oink says, "moi !"
 jay says, "i'll take one please"
 Vesaa says, "what's the official price in GBP?"
 oink says, "no official yet"
 Vesaa says, "any guesses"
 oscwilde says, "there's no "official" pricing for anywhere yet"
 oscwilde says, "under $1k US"
 jay says to BetaBrett "you have me breathing hard"
 jay says to oscwilde "this thing really does look cool"
 BetaBrett says, "ahem, children....."
 oscwilde says, "so, more questions?"
 BetaBrett says, "Yeah - what did you NOT like about it?"
 oscwilde says, "or conjecture?"
 xiabram says, "when is release aprx?"
 oscwilde says, "It was/is way too early to say what I didn't like about
it...as neither LA5 or the unit itself are there yet"
 jay says, "this is strictly a controller--not an input device at all
right?"
 Vesaa says, "If I may ask...Knowing that osc has a relationship with
emagic,what is this new thing ,this TDM >native bridge thing all about?"

 oscwilde says, "The ESB TDM is basically a piece of software that
connects the Logic "native" engine - plugins/VSt etc. and the Pro Tools
engine - DSP."
 oink says, "i think if there are no more logicControl questions, forum
is open"
 oscwilde says, "This allows the user to choose if they want to use
Logic's processing, TDM or a combination of both."
 Vesaa says, "But for us non-Tdm guys there's not much use for it?"
 oscwilde says, "None ;-)"
 Robert_Matichak says, ""I'm thinking about a firewire CD burner. do you
know if waveburnner supports firewire? Or is it a "non issue"?""
 utopian says, "not yet"
 oink says, "it has been announced on the lug list firewire support is
imminent"
 haggan says, "btw, oscarwilde got a good article about his forum in the
newest german keys magazine, so, don t close the forum:)"
 oink says, "cool"
 Vesaa says, "Hey it's the best info you can have on-line bout' Logic"
 oink says, "the forums have been a godsend to a lot of users on
rocketnetwork"
 oink says, "Dave B I'm sure  I speak for everyone when i say you have
been a most interesting and informative guest :)"
 oink says, "I thought I'd get that in before any starts wandering off
:)"
 janpulsford says, "hear hear!!"
 LennieJ says, "THANXS Dave!!"
 jay says, "thanks Dave"
 oink says, "is everyone here familiar with dave B's logic audio FAQ
site ?"
 oink says, "http://www.ozemail.com.au/~oscwilde/"
 oscwilde says, "Good night/morning sports fans. It's been fun. "
 oscwilde has left the Session

 Vesaa says, "As the official topic may be finished,cn we have some info
on the Musiocplayer center ? is it officially annouced yet?"
 marcr says, "Music Player is live"

 Zoggo says, "oink, is 4.7 ok to use around here?"
 oink says, "yes most of us are using it"
 oink says, "Zoggo"
 oink says, "if a session seems to go weird"
 oink says, "like its corrupt or something"
 oink says, "just trash the logic song and receive song data agin, and
everything usually returns to normal"
 oink says, "that is the main tip with 4.7"
 Zoggo says, "just trash the Arr doc? "
 oink says, "yes"
 Zoggo says, "thankx"
 oink says, "leave the Cache alone"
 Zoggo nods
 oink says, "but trash the .lso and .bak folder"




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 Disclaimer: I have edited this chat substantially, but done my utmost
to maintain the sense of what was said. This is to be regarded as only a

precis of the actual chat, and any unforseen or contentious inference
that can be drawn form one line to the next, is purely unintentional on
my part, and cannot be attributed to the persons who posted the chat.

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Dave Eager [oink]