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logic-ot@yahoogroups.com wrote

> Original Message:
>    Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:25:31 -0500
>    From: Lee Blaske <lblaske@...>
> Subject: Re: Stones
>
> At 10:50 AM -0600 7/5/01, Zeek Duff wrote:
> >Hrmpf.  Anyway, you gotta draw the line somewhere, and it's
> >always the session guys that get screwed.  You can create a bass
> >part or guitar
> >solo that everyone agrees, sells the tune.  But, what do you get?
> >Session fees,
> >and that's it.  Ah, reality.  :(
>
> Hey, that's the *best* case scenario. Once peer-to-peer sharing
> completely takes hold, there won't be any session fees. ;-)

Well, yeah... I was assuming someone had the coin and desire to at least pay session fees.  :)  I've done many hours of playing "on spec," that I never got a nickel for, some of which eventually got used in jingles anyway (fuckers); most of which, didn't do anything but gather dust er, rust(?) while taking up space on some iron oxide somewhere.  Then there are the
zillion or so demos for friends that never went anywhere...  Looks like all of us who have been bitten on one cheek or another pretty much agree on how to avoid it, at least.  Or, we just don't give a fat rat's ass.  ;)

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> Original Message:
>    Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 21:54:55 EDT
>    From: GAmoore@...
> Subject: Re: Stones
>
> Are you saying only the new lyrics are copyrighted or the entire song? What if you wrote new words to an old song re-copyrighted? Could you play/record it royalty free? From what you say, it would seem so.
>
> However, from my experience with the copyright law, the words and music are together. This makes for a dangerous situation. Lets say you write a great tune, and work with a lyricist who writes shit words, you copyright it. Later you write better lyrics. However, you can't simply deal the original lyric writer out. That person owns 50% of the song - not just the words.
>
> For this reason, I think you need to have a contract (between co-writers) covering such circumstances.
>

Not exactly.  *IF* the song is copyrighted as "lyrics by Joe Schmoe" and "music by Pete Feet" for example, you don't need Pete's permission to use the lyrics with completely different music, but you DO need Joe's permission.  Vicey Versy, too.  If the tune is copyrighted "words and music by Joe Lennon Schmoe & Pete McCartney Feet" for example, you need both their
permissions to use either words and/or music.

Then, there's just covering your ass, credibility-wise.  I recall a big flap about Santana not crediting a classical piece he either didn't recognize, or had simply omitted recognition of it in the liner notes/credits, and people had a shit fit last year.  Even the DAW-MAC list went berserk about that one...

Regards,
...z


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