Re: [L-OT] US Selling Out
2001-09-25 by Wilson Zorn
As stated, I do not believe we should have opposed Russia in Eastern Europe after the war. Not at all. I said that. I was simply interested in your choice of comparisons. It is one that many people have used as an argument against American foreign policy at the tail end fo the war. Yet I think the only alternative those people have posited is in fact not viable at all. As you state, a Russian-American confrontation shortly after WWII would have been an unmitigated disaster for all involved, in my opinon. In fact in my opinion, in hindsight, American foreign policy against Russia specifically was extremely, wildly successful over the last 50 years. It caused Russia to collapse economically as well as suffer cultural intrusions from the West during the various Cold War thaws. All the while avoiding a conflict. Of course 50 years from now we may be saying something very different as Russia regathers its strengths. I hope not, though, and I do tend to think not. ----- Original Message ----- From: <GAmoore@...> To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 7:44 PM Subject: [L-OT] US Selling Out > >> The US helped Russia during WWII with supplies and tanks. Are we then to > >> blame for everything Russia has done such as subjugating Easter Europe > >> for 40 years? > >> > > > >It's interesting you pick this example as a lot of conservatives and hawks
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> >did throughout the 1940s-1960s, saying FDR sold us out at Yalta. > > > >I don't though, to be clear. > > The Koreans say America sold them out and burn our flag, throw fire bombs > at our embassy, and stage noisy protests....regularly... and this is > South Korea, our friend!!!! One Korean friend told me that at a > university they place an American flag on the ground to trample over and > wipe their feet on a daily basis. Not North Korea our enemy! > > You might recall that in 1950 the north launched a surprise attack and > nearly drove the southern forces into the sea - all that remained was a > single city at the southern tip called Pusan. The US and about 10 other > nations sent troops and reinforced it, then eventually took almost all of > Korea back - north and south. Then the Chinese entered the war and the > US/UN retreated with heavy casualties. MacArthur was fired for wanting to > nuke China. The US decided it didn't want to have WWIII against China and > Russia, and so an uneasy truce dividing the country in half has existed > to this day. > > For that reason, the south Koreans hate us Americans who saved their > asses. > > The other reason they hate us, is because in 1980, their own military did > a mini-Tianamin Square massacre of about 1,000 students. The US military > had no part in it, but since the US was supposed to know about every > thing that happens with the Korean military, then we are somehow to > blame, too. > > So this current anti-American attitude when gratitude would be called > for, is quite familiar. We help Afganistan (not just during their war > with Russia, but even now we're the largest donor of aid.) We (and > others) do the dirty work in Iraq. Should we have had a nuclear war with > Russia over Eastern Europe in the 1950? Doesn't sound very appealing to > me. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >