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Re: [L-OT] [ot] question for europeans...

Re: [L-OT] [ot] question for europeans...

2000-03-23 by Bjorn Elfstrom

Jon,

I'm afraid I haven't heard of any such service yet. It might be that there
indeed is one, but up here in Finland I've not come across any yet.

rgds,

Bj\ufffdrn Elfstr\ufffdm

jon bergh wrote:
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> From: jon bergh <jonbergh@...>
>
> i have a friend who is going to start spending a great deal of time in
> France, Italy, Germany, possibly England as well... i need to help her get
> some dial-up access... what are the options as far as one service that
> offers local dialing in several locations? compuserve? since i'm in the
> states, i don't really know where to begin... figured i'd ask y'all first.
>
> thanks in advance...
>
> jon

Re: [L-OT] [ot] question for europeans...

2000-03-23 by Yoonchi

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Subject: [L-OT] [ot] question for europeans...


> From: jon bergh <jonbergh@...>
>
> i have a friend who is going to start spending a great deal of time in
> France, Italy, Germany, possibly England as well... i need to help her get
> some dial-up access... what are the options as far as one service that
> offers local dialing in several locations? compuserve? since i'm in the
> states, i don't really know where to begin... figured i'd ask y'all first.
>
> thanks in advance...
>
> jon

Hi Jon,
I think your friend should use WAP(Wireless Application Protocol). It's a
new technology to use your mobile phone to have access to the net all around
the world. I think there are some phone companies in the EU that offer this
service. I bet BT offers this service for all over Europe. I know
KPN(www.kpn.com) offers this service in the Netherlands. There are companies
all across Europe that offer this service.
I don't know what your friend needs exactly, but if it was for use of
messages, why not use web based email, if it's only email that's needed. And
if you need storage, use space at drivestorage.com.
Hope this gives you something to start with.
Yoonchi.

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Re: [L-OT] [ot] question for europeans...

2000-03-24 by Bjorn Elfstrom

I'm by no means a WAP expert, but recently I've looked into the area a bit and
the following is only IMHO.

WAP is still in its infancy and there aren't any terminals (telephones) around
yet (not even from Nokia <g>) that would be good. moreover, until they reach
packet switching technology instead of the current circuit switching things
aren't nice at all. one thing this means that WAP currently  is expensive
(because you pay for the time that you're logged on) and slow. not to mention
the relative absence of standardised WAP portal services. it seems to me that we
need to wait for the *real* 3G solutions and applications before this becomes
really viable.

as I understood the original question the point was to have a "pan-European" ISP
contact. even though one would use a web based e-mail service it wouldn't solve
the ISP problem, you still need to get logged on to the net. calling
international calls from a mobile phone to log you on isn't exactly cheap around
Europe :-). in Finland Internet contact is offered for free in all libraries,
but I doubt that this is the case in Central Europe (?).

if one would solve the ISP situation both web based e-mail and file storage is
highly recommendable. I just don't know of any ISPs that'd have a presence in
all of Europe with local dial-in services. hope there'd be one, though.

not to disencourage you at all, but as ever, it's all a question of how much
you're willing to pay ;-).

rgds,

Bj\ufffdrn Elfstr\ufffdm

Yoonchi wrote:
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> From: "Yoonchi" <yoonchi@...>
>
> Hi Jon,
> I think your friend should use WAP(Wireless Application Protocol). It's a
> new technology to use your mobile phone to have access to the net all around
> the world. I think there are some phone companies in the EU that offer this
> service. I bet BT offers this service for all over Europe. I know
> KPN(www.kpn.com) offers this service in the Netherlands. There are companies
> all across Europe that offer this service.
> I don't know what your friend needs exactly, but if it was for use of
> messages, why not use web based email, if it's only email that's needed. And
> if you need storage, use space at drivestorage.com.
> Hope this gives you something to start with.
> Yoonchi.

Re: [L-OT] [ot] question for europeans...

2000-03-24 by Sascha Franck

Unfortunately I think AOL is the widest spread ISP offering local call dial
ins in europe.
With AOL you will at least get dial-ins via local calls in germany, france,
UK, sweden, benelux, spain, italy but I guess there's even more countries.

Sascha

Re: [L-OT] [ot] question for europeans...

2000-03-24 by Bjorn Elfstrom

Sascha,

this was news to me, and I thought it would be good news :-). yet, you say
'unfortunately'. why do say that? is there a problem with AOL?

cheers,

Bj\ufffdrn Elfstr\ufffdm

Sascha Franck wrote:
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> From: "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@...>
>
> Unfortunately I think AOL is the widest spread ISP offering local call dial
> ins in europe.
> With AOL you will at least get dial-ins via local calls in germany, france,
> UK, sweden, benelux, spain, italy but I guess there's even more countries.
>
> Sascha

Re: [L-OT] [ot] question for europeans...

2000-03-24 by Sascha Franck

Hi Bj\ufffdrn,

> this was news to me, and I thought it would be good news :-). yet, you say
> 'unfortunately'. why do say that? is there a problem with AOL?

Well, the problems with AOL are:
- High charge of money, at least in germany, has changed a bit but is still
too expensive. Just imagine, until roughly a 3/4 year ago they charged 6
marks per hour NOT even including the phone costs! Meanwhile it's down to
3.90 marks per hour including phone costs, somewhat reasonable compared to
others in germany, but nothing more then that.
- Company policies. They simply suck for many reasons, be it security or
whatever. You are often attacked massively by spammers, you couldn't use
external mail or newsgroup clients (even if this might have changed now,
dunno), adresses are given away, even if they say they don't do that and so
on...
- You have to install their shitty software, there's no choice to just setup
a new dial-up for your machine, no, AOL wants you to look at their cheesy
jelly-beanish like interface all the time.

Sascha

Re: [L-OT] [ot] question for europeans...

2000-03-24 by Bjorn Elfstrom

Sascha,

thanks for your insights. that indeed does sound scary. I remember hearing
something about AOL along these lines a long time ago on the US market. didn't
really take notice because it was never relevant for me, too far away and
totally out of the question up here. heck, I even remember hearing about an
American guy who got thrown out from AOL because of an ironic (provocative as it
was I can't remember it) signature that he used. the land of the free, indeed
:-). poor Netscape.........

btw, how much would you normally pay for Internet access in Germany (or
elsewhere in Europe)? here you'd pay something around  \ufffd 0,01 (during business
hours = more expensive) / minute for the phone (plus a connection charge per
call that is roughly \ufffd 0,08) and (depending on the ISP, some are for free) \ufffd 8
for one month of unlimited Internet access.

cheers,

Bj\ufffdrn Elfstr\ufffdm

Sascha Franck wrote:
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> From: "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@...>
>
> Hi Bj\ufffdrn,
>
> > this was news to me, and I thought it would be good news :-). yet, you say
> > 'unfortunately'. why do say that? is there a problem with AOL?
>
> Well, the problems with AOL are:
> - High charge of money, at least in germany, has changed a bit but is still
> too expensive. Just imagine, until roughly a 3/4 year ago they charged 6
> marks per hour NOT even including the phone costs! Meanwhile it's down to
> 3.90 marks per hour including phone costs, somewhat reasonable compared to
> others in germany, but nothing more then that.
> - Company policies. They simply suck for many reasons, be it security or
> whatever. You are often attacked massively by spammers, you couldn't use
> external mail or newsgroup clients (even if this might have changed now,
> dunno), adresses are given away, even if they say they don't do that and so
> on...
> - You have to install their shitty software, there's no choice to just setup
> a new dial-up for your machine, no, AOL wants you to look at their cheesy
> jelly-beanish like interface all the time.
>
> Sascha

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