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> I'm thinking of setting up dual booting on my pc but, won't win98 (my
> OS) keep finding the hardware I don't want to install in my audio
> boot. ie: network card, scanner, etc... Is there a program to turn
> the plug and play detection off in win98? Like tweakui, msconfig, etc. ?

   Suggest you first boot up in safe mode and do a Registry clear out as
suggested in the PC Notes, June issue, of Sound On Sound (SOS) magazine,
currently online at -
http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/jun00/articles/pcnotes.htm

   BTW, there's loads of stuff at the SOS site in the way of tips - PC,
Mac and even Atari,  There might even be something there that answers
your question directly so search their archives.

   What I've done to overcome the Plug and Play thing is to go into
Control Panel/System/Device Manager. Select and Right click on the
devices I want disabled, select properties and then 'disable...'. Reboot
for settings to take effect.
   This is how I've been doing it anyway. Maybe someone else has a
more elegant solution.  

   Somethings, motherboard devices for instance, can be disabled in the
Bios but this will affect all boot arrangements.  

   What I'd like to know from Mac owners is why one never hears of
dual booting being necessary for their platform - what is it about the
Mac OS that bypasses the need for a clean partition for audio? Also, why
is virtual memory discouraged for audio on the Mac but not on PC?

Adrian Gill wrote:
> 
> > I'm thinking of setting up dual booting on my pc but, won't win98 (my
> > OS) keep finding the hardware I don't want to install in my audio
> > boot. ie: network card, scanner, etc... Is there a program to turn
> > the plug and play detection off in win98? Like tweakui, msconfig, etc. ?
> 
>    Suggest you first boot up in safe mode and do a Registry clear out as
> suggested in the PC Notes, June issue, of Sound On Sound (SOS) magazine,
> currently online at -
> http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/jun00/articles/pcnotes.htm
> 
>    BTW, there's loads of stuff at the SOS site in the way of tips - PC,
> Mac and even Atari,  There might even be something there that answers
> your question directly so search their archives.
> 
>    What I've done to overcome the Plug and Play thing is to go into
> Control Panel/System/Device Manager. Select and Right click on the
> devices I want disabled, select properties and then 'disable...'. Reboot
> for settings to take effect.
>    This is how I've been doing it anyway. Maybe someone else has a
> more elegant solution.
> 

There is! You could've gone to the next tab(Hardware Profile?, I've got
a Dutch Win98), copied your original configuration, renamed it and then
disable the devices you don't want when using music apps. Then save that
configuration. When you boot, the system will ask you to choose a
configuration.

Other tip: once you've got the system that runs smooth, make a backup of
that system with Drive Image(product by Powerquest, at
www.powerquest.com). Drive Image costs not much and it can save you a
lot of time with reconfiguring your system.

>    Somethings, motherboard devices for instance, can be disabled in the
> Bios but this will affect all boot arrangements.
> 
>    What I'd like to know from Mac owners is why one never hears of
> dual booting being necessary for their platform - what is it about the
> Mac OS that bypasses the need for a clean partition for audio? Also, why
> is virtual memory discouraged for audio on the Mac but not on PC?

Virtual memory is also discouraged on PC. Once you are recording, you
don't want your root disk to start swapping. If you have a lot of RAM on
board, you can even disable all virtual memory. Macs need also more RAM,
compared to PCs, if you have noticed.
The thing with Macs is, most are used to develop Audio apps on. So the
developers dedicate more time to solving problems on a Mac than on a PC.
And there are some design/architecture things about Win9x(not PCs
themselves) that are less elegant. If you've seen a PC run on BeOS or
Linux, you wouldn't believe your eyes how fast a PC can be.
Greetings,
Yoonchi.

Original poster wrote:
> > > I'm thinking of setting up dual booting on my pc but, won't win98 (my
> > > OS) keep finding the hardware I don't want to install in my audio
> > > boot...?

I replied:
> >    What I've done to overcome the Plug and Play thing is to go into
> > Control Panel/System/Device Manager. Select and Right click on the
> > devices I want disabled, select properties and then 'disable...'. Reboot
> > for settings to take effect.
> >    This is how I've been doing it anyway. Maybe someone else has a
> > more elegant solution.

Yoonchi said:
> There is! You could've gone to the next tab(Hardware Profile?, I've got
> a Dutch Win98), copied your original configuration, renamed it and then
> disable the devices you don't want when using music apps. Then save that
> configuration. When you boot, the system will ask you to choose a
> configuration.

Hi Yoonchi,
   Wasn't the guy asking about disabling P&P _after_ setting up a 
separate audio partition? In which case he wouldn't need to have a
further audio configuration...?
   Or do you mean this as an alternative to dual booting? If so, I
agree. Your suggestion is the way I personally have my set up but,
when I get round to it, I think I will set up a dual Win98 boot as,
for me, backing up an audio partition would take a lot less space than
backing up a C: partition with both original and audio configurations.
I would feel easier too having a dedicated Win98 partition solely for
Logic/AW2 .

I asked:

> >    What I'd like to know from Mac owners is why one never hears of
> > dual booting being necessary for their platform - what is it about the
> > Mac OS that bypasses the need for a clean partition for audio? Also, why
> > is virtual memory discouraged for audio on the Mac but not on PC?
 
> Virtual memory is also discouraged on PC. Once you are recording, you
> don't want your root disk to start swapping. If you have a lot of RAM on
> board, you can even disable all virtual memory.

   Ah, that's interesting to know. An idea I was toying with was to
have a fast hard drive just for the swap file (already having one
dedicated to audio, of course). If one were to spend the money on memory
instead then, maybe one can do without the need for a swap file
altogether? How much RAM are you talking about that one could disable
Virtual Memory? 

> ...there are some design/architecture things about Win9x(not PCs
> themselves) that are less elegant. If you've seen a PC run on BeOS or
> Linux, you wouldn't believe your eyes how fast a PC can be.

   Oh, I'd believe alright! I originally went with Emagic for
hard/software because of their promised Be port. I've had BeOS since
early last year and occasionally boot it up just to luxuriate in it's
beauty but there she sits on my hard drive, abandoned and forlorn, the
Cinderella of Operating Systems. And we all thought Emagic would be the
Prince...

Thanks,
Ade