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From: "Williams, Lawrence K" <lkwilliams@...> 
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 0:23pm 
Subject: RE: [LUG] [OT] Microsoft enters PC hardware market  



Relax:
This is no biggie; it is just another example of why many users choose win
pc's.  Microsoft is again catering to every level of the consumer.  If true,
this will enable people who do not have money to get an affordable package
that will all them to own pc's that are not second hand.  Now, the only
thing that intel can get mad about is the fact, it may make their line of
"Celeron Powered chips" obsolete.  But, how much more development can be
added to the Celeron chip without it becoming a Pentium III?
I think this a smart move on Microsoft's end.

-----Original Message-----
From: ewald_kegel [mailto:ekegel@c...]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:07 AM
To: logic-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LUG] [OT] Microsoft enters PC hardware market


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Ok, I know we will all be using Macs soon ;-), 

yet I found this interesting story:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4248

Puzzles one mind, doesn't it?


Ewald
http://www.cone.nl/ewaldkegel



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At 04:19 PM 8/07/02 -0500, you wrote:
>(OT reply redirected from the LUG to L-OT)
>
>From: "Williams, Lawrence K" <lkwilliams@...> 
>Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 0:23pm 
>Subject: RE: [LUG] [OT] Microsoft enters PC hardware market  
>
>
>
>Relax:
>This is no biggie; it is just another example of why many users choose win
>pc's.  Microsoft is again catering to every level of the consumer.  If true,
>this will enable people who do not have money to get an affordable package
>that will all them to own pc's that are not second hand.  Now, the only
>thing that intel can get mad about is the fact, it may make their line of
>"Celeron Powered chips" obsolete.  But, how much more development can be
>added to the Celeron chip without it becoming a Pentium III?

The folks at Intel are ahead of you -- Celerons are now P4s with half the
L2 cache (1.7GHz is the latest I seem to recall). 

>I think this a smart move on Microsoft's end.

If they want to expand the market -- just like mobile phone vendors they
will have to push down the entry level price -- it is obvious especially in
a time where the PC market is just not growing.

Regards,
M

In a message dated 7/8/02 2:20:49 PM, sadus@... writes:
>This is no biggie; it is just another example of why many users choose
>win pc's.  Microsoft is again catering to every level of the consumer. 

spppahckahadfkc...oops I spit my coffee out on that comment. Since when has 
Microsoft, the great white shark of the software business ever done anything 
noble for the good of the customer. MS is one of the most aggressive and 
monopolisticly greedy companies on the planet. They wouldn't think about it 
unless there were more billions to be made.

And regarding Intel's superiority .....


Motorola and IBM have had their own problems furthering development of the
PowerPC architecture, but Intel's RISC so far has been a non-starter.

Jerry Brown
www.stoughtonprinting.com




>From today's InformationWeek Daily (7/8/02):


** Itanium 2 Won't Be A Pentium-Class Shoo-In

Intel promises unmatched prices and performance for enterprise
servers with the launch of its Itanium 2 processor this week. If
all goes as planned, the chipmaker says, Itanium 2 will push
Intel-based servers deep into data centers and lower hardware,
training, and maintenance costs. But buyers still view Intel's
second-generation 64-bit chip as unproven.

"I have to see it in operation; I'm not going to put a $6 billion
operation at risk," says Richard Gius, senior VP of IT at
Allegiance Corp., a McGaw Park, Ill., company that makes
health-care products.

Blame Intel's initial Itanium chip for the caution. Released last
year, the first version was meant to prove that Intel chips were
ready for 64-bit computing and could reliably perform tasks such
as massive database hosting and high-volume financial processing.
But the chip flopped because of shipping delays and lackluster
performance. "The original flavor was no good," says Mark Hudson,
a marketing manager at Hewlett-Packard, Intel's Itanium
development partner.

Allegiance's Gius plans to spend millions on new servers for a
data center that runs the company's E-business operations. He'll
decide later this year or early next who gets the money. - Paul
McDougall

The Itanium has a tough row to hoe. Read the full story at:
informationweek.com/896/intel.htm
<http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=hHw80BdOHZ0V20Be270A8>

At 02:06 AM 9/07/02 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 7/8/02 2:20:49 PM, sadus@... writes:
>>This is no biggie; it is just another example of why many users choose
>>win pc's.  Microsoft is again catering to every level of the consumer. 
>
>spppahckahadfkc...oops I spit my coffee out on that comment. Since when has 
>Microsoft, the great white shark of the software business ever done anything 
>noble for the good of the customer. MS is one of the most aggressive and 
>monopolisticly greedy companies on the planet. They wouldn't think about it 
>unless there were more billions to be made.

Catering to them -- that means a product at a pricepoint they can afford.
Computers are still priced like luxury items -- mobile phones ain't. Which
one is penetrating new markets. Everyone knows how the computer industry
conspires to force everyone to keep upgrading and keep spending about the
same amount of money for each new computer. This has paid for R&D --  sure
-- but it has also made a lot of assholes and venture capitalists rich. 

A new model will come -- it has to -- China, India, these are countries
where many more people (a billion?) will have affordable communications
(internet) and computing and before too long. They won't pay what
westerners pay they couldn't.

>And regarding Intel's superiority .....

>Motorola and IBM have had their own problems furthering development of the
>PowerPC architecture, but Intel's RISC so far has been a non-starter.

Aww c'mon -- they have swallowed the Alpha team whole - their RISC
expertise is equal to anyone's now ;-)

Then there's the Itanic -- which may yet rise from the bottom of the
Atlantic and crash into the coast of Newfoundland. HP have contributed more
to McKinley and later versions so it might even be competitive eventually.

Regards,
Murray