"Where do [I] get off saying shit like that"? It's a function of
living in a free country I'm afraid.
Everything you're saying is fine, with one exception; when you go out
of your way and find your own solution to the problem (that was created
by Apple) you release Apple from having to be accountable to you. On
one hand, I suppose you could say that a cottage industry that provides
inexpensive batteries to Apple's cast-off customers (like you) was able
to form out of Apple's arrogant policy. On the other hand, you could
say that it only encourages Apple's irresponsible behavior.
You say that you expect corporations to screw consumers, and so you
prepare yourself for the worst by being resourceful. On the other
hand, the authors of the video found the better solution: through their
ingenious activism, they embarrassed a large corporation into changing
their policy.
I suppose there will always be those, like you, who are willing to walk
away when big business gets pushy, and luckily there will also be those
like the video makers who refuse to take it up the ass.
Rob Yale
P.S. Reread my last paragraph carefully. If you do so, you'll notice
that no conclusions were drawn. I merely expressed my hope that you
aren't the "average consumer".
On Dec 23, 2003, at 12:04 AM, Chris Butler wrote:
> Where the hell do you get off saying shit like that, without doing
> your research - EXACTLY like the guy who made the video?
>
> Of course charging $250 to replace a battery is ridiculous.� But, if
> you bother to look around for about 10 seconds, you'll find you can
> buy a battery for $50 from ipodbattery.com, and it's a matter of
> minutes to replace it in the old style ipods.
>
> So far from having more money than I know what to do with, or
> swallowing what companies give me, I take the time to look a little
> deeper into what I own and what is going on, and doing enough research
> to be truly informed.� I don't expect any corporation to do anything
> BUT screw the consumer, so I take steps to ensure that when it
> happens, I'll be ready.� It's not that hard, unless you have too much
> 'self-respect' to learn a thing or two on your own, I guess.
>
> Chris
>
> P.S. Keep on drawing conclusions about me and all of Western
> Civilization based on a post to a mailing list, it makes you look so
> very intelligent.
> ---
> Plate of shrimp
>
>
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:37:29�
> Rob Yale wrote:
> >He was told that the battery would cost $250US.� So as I understand
> it,
> >you'd be willing to fork over that kind of money for a battery?� I
> also
> >take it that you think that consumers should simply buy what's sold to
> >them, and not complain?� If the answer to the above two questions is
> >yes, I would have to conclude that you have more money than you know
> >what to do with, and that you are that marketeers dream - the perfect
> >consumer.� You swallow what you're fed, pay up and shut up.
> >
> >Frankly I hope the majority of the Western World have more
> self-respect
> >than you seem to exhibit.� If not, it would be fair to characterize us
> >as a population of automatons - programmed to hand over dollars and
> >ingest whatever form of excrement that manufacturers want to hand us.
> >
> >Rob Yale
> >
> >
> >On Dec 22, 2003, at 12:14 PM, Chris Butler wrote:
> >
> >> No, the guy was just too lazy to buy a new battery and replace it
> >> himself, so he whined and whined about it until he got his way.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Plate of shrimp
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:19:33
> >> Murray McDowall wrote:
> >> >dfusion2000@... wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Yeah, it sucks to know the battery will crap out.� But Apple will
> >> >>fix it for free if it happens in a year or you can buy an extended
> >> >>warranty.� Honestly though, I think after a few years most people
> >> >>will buy a new one, like getting a new cell phone.� Their becoming
> >> >>commodity (cell phones AND mp3 players).
> >> >
> >> >The point of the article in the link was that Apple originally did
> not
> >> >offer� replacement batteries. The guy at the centre of the story
> was
> >> amazed
> >> >and disgusted that they just wanted him to junk the unit and buy
> >> another.
> >> >He and his brother then applied a little pressure through the
> >> multimedia
> >> >dramatisation they created and,� lo and behold, Apple came up with
> a
> >> change
> >> >in policy. NOW they do offer a battery replacement scheme.
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
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